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No one ever opened a door and swept on to stage like her.
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She was educated at Ramona Convent Secondary School Ramona Convent Secondary School is an all-female college-preparatory high school in Alhambra, California. Founded in 1889 by the California province of the Sisters of the Holy Names of Jesus and Mary, Ramona is one of the oldest operating schools in California and has graduated over 8,300 students.
One thing you got to give to the lassies from convent schools, they were pure class.... memories.
#8
Fred, that's a glorious cutline under the lovely Miss Young.
USN & gorb, you guys win the "comment thread of the day" prize.
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Thanks Mike, but really it is Fred and the other mods that make the life of those who have a talent for the snark so easy. but TU 3031 has that down in Spades!
Me, I'm just a good ol' aeroplane nut that races lawn mowers for fun.
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You're the fool, F&E. Take your unwanted self and comments elsewhere. You have nothing to contribute to this conversation that would be of any use to anyone, and free speech isn't something reserved only to you. Buzz off.
#1
Very interesting vid; my salute and respect for those who fell there.
Also, the Rpg really seems to be the other real big soviet/russian success story, cheap, efficient, widespread, it looks like it actually gives even thirld world riff-raffs a great deal of firepower. Third world man-portable field artillery.
#2
The Russians just improved the German designed Panzerfaust:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerfaust
The single weapon responsible for the destruction of an amazing number of Russian tanks. It would "open them up like a piece of ripe fruit", according to the Germans.
I also noted that the Airborne have their maroon beret back.
#3
It really annoys me that they MSM feels *obligated* to throw in digs at the military, their leaders, and continual references to Vietnam into their opinionated "reports".
They have lost the ability to actually "report" any more.
#4
The Russians just improved the German designed Panzerfaust:
Yeah, I know, but they sure turned it eventually into a great versatile system, carried ready to fire, and the last warheads from russia are quite sophisticated (thermobaric, dual-charges, high frag,...). Plus, it's cheap, rugged, and numerous, and quantity has a quality of its own, this really gives a lot of local firepower to non-western ground troops.
Le Monde a French news source writes that French soldiers supposedly killed by Taliban would have been killed by Nato-friendly fire. According to a wounded soldier, the NATO airstrikes meant to enable soldiers out of the ambush have missed their target and hit french soldiers, along with fire from Afghan soldiers in positioned downstream. Radio communications had been cut creating a great frustration among the soldiers stuck at the pass.”
“When we arrived at fifty metres from the ridgeline,” said one soldier, the firing began. They have not stopped for six hours. Among the attackers, there were snipers, they were more in numbers….. ”
The Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces, General Jean-Louis Georgelin, described the incident during a press conference in Paris as “an ambush mounted well.” ……Then pledged “a round of fighting which lasted until late in the evening on a field extremely favorable to the enemy”, according to the general, while “air support were made by the coalition.”
On August 18, the French suffered its first heavy losses in Afghanistan during an ambush in which ten soldiers were killed and twenty-one were wounded.
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Hmmm! NATO air power >/= USAF (more likely than not).
Convenient excuse as always. And if correct, will there be a thorough examination as to whether the coords. were correct or was it just a major FUBAR on our part.
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Speaking of radio communications, I wonder what the French were using. The US uses SINCGARS for ground forces and HAVE QUICK for AF airborne assets. Both of those are frequency hopping, encrypted radios. The French probably normally use a Thales PR4G radio which would not be compatible with either.
This is what was being introduced as I was doing my draft, a decade or so ago, the older truly vintage 60's (?) comms being phased out, so I'd guess this is what is used now.
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Not unlikely. Thanks De Gaulle and Chirca, if French troops were carring equipement who was uncompatible with Allied one and caused this friendly fire incident we have to tank the two bastards mentionned above.
A French defense reporter wrote a detailed piece on the battle here. My summary / translation:
Monday morning the French forces sent a patrol from FOB Tora into the Uzbin valley, to the north of Surobi (about 50km east of Kabul). The patrol was in VABs and other vehicles, and consisted of French paratroopers, Afghan army, and a few U.S. TACPs for air coordination. All told the patrol consisted of about 100 troops. This was only the third patrol conducted in the valley since the arrival of French troops into this sector, and the previous patrols had not penetrated very far into the valley.
At 1:30PM local time, the patrol approached a steep, rocky path through a mountain pass, and French troops in the lead vehicles dismounted to scout ahead on foot. They fell into an ambush of about 100 Taliban fighters, and nine French paras were killed and 18 wounded. The main body of the patrol engaged the Taliban and called in U.S. air support consisting of A-10 strike aircraft and apparently AH-64 Apache helicopters.
In the ensuing battle, approximately 30 Taliban were killed and an equal number wounded. The battle lasted until 2:30 in the morning, at which point the various elements of the NATO patrol had reunited and helicopters, including Caracals from the French special forces, arrived to evacuate the wounded. The only NATO combat casualties occurred during the initial ambush; one other French soldier was killed when a VAB vehicle overturned after the battle.
According to General Jean-Louis Gorgelin, commander in chief of French forces, this was a "well-executed ambush", and shows that the Taliban are capable of a certain measure of maneuver warfare and do not lack ammunition or supplies.
1. They had U.S. TACAIR controllers with them, so no translation errors.
2. The French troops were all killed before air strikes were called in, not after.
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"well-executed ambush"
Maybe so, but when the ambushER suffers 60% (30 killed & 30 wounded out of 100) casualties it can't have been but so well-executed.
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Maybe so, but when the ambushER suffers 60% (30 killed & 30 wounded out of 100) casualties it can't have been but so well-executed.
That assumes the 100 number is correct. It may be as high as 100% casualties.
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Re: radio compatibility, there is work being done on 'cognitive radios', i.e. software enabled radios that can adjust frequency, protocol etc. to enable coalition interoperability.
Not near deployment yet but it's coming. Goal is to spread it to emergency response and law enforcement groups in the US as well, facilitating ad hoc organization in response to attacks, natural disasters, pandemics etc.
At least six suicide bombers have been killed in an attempted attack on a Nato military base in south-eastern Afghanistan, Nato officials have said. The militants failed to storm Camp Salerno in Khost province, where many US troops are based, Nato and Afghan officials said. Nato has faced a barrage of attacks across the country since Monday.
Officials say heavy fighting is also taking place near the capital, Kabul, after a Nato patrol was ambushed. A spokesman for the Nato-led International Security and Assistance Force (Isaf) said a major incident had been going on since Monday. He said there was heavy fighting going on in the area and it was believed there were some casualties.
The growing numbers of insurgent attacks close to the capital, Kabul, have heightened fears that the Taleban are encroaching on the capital city, says the BBC's Alastair Leithead, in Kabul.
Before the attack in Khost, the Taleban announced that a group of 30 Taleban fighters would attack Camp Salerno. Isaf confirmed that Camp Salerno had been attacked by rockets or mortars, and that a number of suicide bombers had tried to storm the base. "Isaf forces on the base had before identified a group of insurgents posturing to attack the base and engaged them with small arms fire," a statement said. "Helicopters arrived on station soon after and engaged these insurgents as they attempted to flee from the scene.
"Three of the insurgents killed themselves by detonating their suicide vests. Isaf forces killed three other suicide bombers before they could detonate their vests. There were no Isaf casualties in the attack," the statement said.
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I see that the Taleban hospital is still providing free lobotomys.
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Attacking a US base in a war zone? Jeez, talk about a hard freaking target.
And it is a whole new level of dumbass to announce a major push through a heavily defended area.
"Yeah, we're going to land on the Normandy beaches in a month, and there's not a damn thing the Nazis can do to stop us."
A global maritime watchdog says pirates have seized a Malaysian tanker with more than 20 crew in the Gulf of Eden off the coast of Somalia.
Noel Choong, head of the International Maritime Bureau's piracy reporting center in Kuala Lumpur, says the center picked up a distress signal late Tuesday and immediately notified Western naval ships patrolling the area.
Choong said Wednesday that a warship has been sent to intercept the tanker, which is currently heading toward Somalia territorial waters, adding that this marked the fourth hijacking in Somalia within a month.
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Gulf of Aden is the stretch of water between Yemen and Somalia, and sits at the southern opening of the Red Sea. It's a heavy shipping area. There is a real high risk of piracy/terr-attack both from Somalia and Yemen.
At least 28 civilians have been killed in Mogadishu after Ethiopian forces began shelling the city stadium and the surrounding districts. Towfiikh, Gupta, Laba Dhagah, Ali Kamiin, and Hamar Bile were engulfed in heavy fighting as the Ethiopian soldiers used mortar shell against Somali insurgents who were said to bring in more than 3000 forces. About 29 houses were flattened by heavy mortar shells, reported Press TV correspondent from Mogadishu.
Meanwhile, the Bakara Market which is usually the site of bloody fighting was targeted by 13 Ethiopian shells, with no injuries or damages reported so far.
In another development, heavy clashes in Harayale District between government-backed militia men and the Somali insurgents claimed 21 lives including 6 civilians. The fighting began when the government-affiliated militia men began looting the houses in the area.
A UN-sponsored peace deal signed between the Somali government and a number of opposition figures in Djibouti has apparently failed to reduce the level of violence in Mogadishu.
Apparently.
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(SomaliNet) A senior leader of the Justice and Equality Movement (JEM) is among the eight Darfur rebels sentenced eight to death on Sunday for their involvement in an unprecedented attack on the capital. Chanting for a new Sudan and for justice before the court, the eight rebels including JEM leader Khalil Ibrahim's half brother Abdel Aziz el-Nur Ashr said they had no reason to ask for leniency. "The court is sentencing all eight accused to death by hanging," said judge Mudathir Rashid Sidahmed.
"Death to the government," Ashr shouted as the verdict was read.
Darfuri women at the court protested outside the courtroom but were escorted out by police.
The accused have one week to make their only appeal before President Omar Hassan al-Bashir signs the execution order.
Defence lawyers have petitioned Sudan's Constitutional Court to stop the executions of 30 other alleged rebels sentenced by the anti-terror court formed to try those arrested after the May attack by JEM. A total of 38 have now been sentenced to death in connection with the attack.
The United Nations has also voiced concern that the courts do not meet international standards and urged the appeals court to review the sentences.
The question unasked: do the *militants* meet int'l standards?
The attack on Khartoum was the first time a rebel group had brought their fight to the capital. The clashes killed more than 200 people and injured hundreds of others. The rebels were stopped at bridges over the river Nile a few kilometres (miles) from the presidential palace and army headquarters.
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The people sentenced are the good guys. The governement is friendly to Al Quaida.
Two car bomb attacks in eastern Algeria killed at least 11 people, state radio reported Wednesday with the country still in shock from a suicide bomber who killed 43 people a day earlier. At least 31 people were wounded in the latest attacks in the town of Bouira, one on a passenger bus and another near a military headquarters, Algerian radio said.
There was no immediate claim of responsibility but an Al-Qaeda group has staged several attacks in Algeria over the past year and has been involved in clashes with government forces in the oil and gas-rich state.
Bouira is part of a so-called "zone of death" it forms with Algiers, Tizi Ouzou and Boumerdes where attacks have been rife.
One bomb targetted a bus parked near the Sophie hotel, in the city centre. The second bomb went off near the military headquarters in Bouira, which is 120 kilometres (70 miles) southeast of Algiers.
The early morning blast blew out windows in the hotel and other nearby buildings. A security cordon was immediately thrown around the centre of Bouira, witnesses said.
The attacks came only a day after a suicide bomber drove a car packed with explosives into the entrance of a police school killing 43 people and injuring 45 in Issers, also east of Algiers. Most of the victims were university graduates waiting outside to take an entry exam in the hopes of joining the paramilitary police force.
On Sunday, armed Islamists ambushed a security force convoy at Skikda, 500 kilometers (300 miles) east of Algiers, killing eight police, three soldiers and a civilian, media reports said.
The Issers attack was the deadliest this year in Algeria and worse than the December 2007 attacks in Algiers against government and United Nations buildings, which killed 41 people and injured many others.
Those attacks were claimed by the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC), an Algeria-based group which last year declared allegiance to Al-Qaeda and renamed itself Al-Qaeda's Branch in the Islamic Maghreb.
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A Briton who recruited Islamist extremists online to stage holy war worldwide, including Britain's youngest terrorism convict, was jailed for 12 years on Tuesday. Aabid Khan, 23, built up a computer "encyclopaedia" of extremist material including a file on Britain's royal family, London's Blackfriars Crown Court heard during the trial. Khan, a former fast food restaurant worker from Bradford, was jailed after being convicted on three counts of possessing articles for a purpose connected with terrorism. His cousin and "right-hand man" Sultan Muhammad, also 23, was jailed for 10 years for posessing similar material. On Monday the court convicted the two men as well as Hammaad Munshi, who was 16 at the time of his arrest. Munshi will be sentenced next month.
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Russia says its response to the further development of a U.S. missile shield in Poland will go beyond diplomacy. as in "we'll invade"?
Russia's Foreign Ministry issued a statement saying the U.S. missile shield plans are clearly aimed at weakening Russia. A Russia that behaves civilly has no need to worry about the missile defense. That explains why the current thugocracy is so scared
The U.S. says the missile defense system is aimed at protecting the U.S. and Europe from future attacks from states like Iran.
The United States and Poland signed a deal Wednesday to place a U.S. missile defense base just 115 miles from Russia's westernmost fringe. The belligerent bear threatens, we should NOT back down.
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Russia says its response to the further development of a U.S. missile shield in Poland will go beyond diplomacy.
I'd be looking for them to make an armored run on Tbilisi very soon. Bad Boys, Bad Boys.
#5
You know, the Russians haven't been shy in saying that even though their stuff might not be as good as the west's, there is a quality in quantity. They could, based of previous counts, could easily overwhelm our missile defense. So, why the temper tantrum? Are their missiles so degraded most won't launch? Aliens stole them?
It just seems weird to me that it is the west saying that the defense could be easily saturated by many Russian missiles, but it is the Russians that are screaming about it.
Just wondering...
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If the Russian issue degenerates over the next weeks and months, and Obama takes a conciliatory stance towards the Ruskies, McCain should think about dusting off this oldie but goodie, with a few updates, of course...
#7
What a stupid thing for them to say because now they have to back it up or lose face. They're willing to go to war over this?
I would guess yes. I see it as an excuse for what seem to be plans of expanding influence in the oil markets. One more reason to get off foreign energy dependence. If the US were to drop out, that would make this option far less attractive to the Russians. But what would they do then?
#9
Darth Vader,
we spend a great deal of money maintaining our nuclear deterrent. If those garbage cans that rolled into Georgia are any indication of what condition the rest of the stuff is in, they haven't got jack squat. They looked like the same shit they were driving around before 91. All the good stuff stays in Moscow for parades. So I don't know if they could launch more than a couple of nukes if they maintain them like the rest of that junk.
#10
Getting ourselves less dependent on foreign energy is fine, Im all for it. But what about the rest of the world? Our allies will be the ones that suffer from russia's use of energy as a weapon, not us.
Probably not but I think they are betting that we aren't and so we will back down if they seem serious enough and since they "own" most of the Western media (being the world leader of the Left), they probably believe they can turn public opinion in such a way as to make whatever reality they want.
They will get bellicose, our media will portray it as a reasonable reaction to Western aggression, and the people will come out against it and Russia gets their way. The same thing happened with the "neutron bomb" back in the 1980's.
#12
Russia would like to let the Iranians play the crazy role and they rebuild relationships as the only guy the Russians listen to. If the Iranians can't threaten with missiles their threat is limited.
#13
I'm with Darth on this. I'm suspecting that Russian missile capability is deteriorating rapidly and they are not up to replacing it. Perhaps they foresee a day when the missile defense will put a major dent in their offense.
#14
Darrell - there should be a way to game it a bit to find out. Just how to do it without a big bang is the problem..
I wonder what the production and reprocessing conditions are like. Even down to basics such as laser or ink jet cartridges used. Plenty of room in them for sensors and recording. Same for MBs in computers etc... The old keyboard proc is always a good one.
Extra sensors in autos etc...
Modified engine computers....
plenty of ways to either collect info or have them destroy all their equipment trying to be safe.
Rumors...
Traffic lights that cause work stoppages ....
#15
You have a nasty streak backed up by ability, 3dc. I'm awfully glad you're on our side.
since they "own" most of the Western media (being the world leader of the Left), they probably believe they can turn public opinion in such a way as to make whatever reality they want.
The last poll I saw said only 30% of Americans now believe the legacy media are not woefully biased, which certainly explains the fall in circulation, share numbers and ad revenue. Russia will not find it as easy to sway American opinion as in the past. As for the Europeans, I have no idea. Thoughts from Rantburg's foreign correspondents?
#17
Getting ourselves less dependent on foreign energy is fine, Im all for it. But what about the rest of the world? Our allies will be the ones that suffer from russia's use of energy as a weapon, not us.
energy is fungible - what matters is reducing demand on the world market to bring down the price. Also the most important things we can do, new technologies for solar, wind, alt vehicle fuels, conservation, we will share with our allies. hell, with our adversaries as well.
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Russians are going to rediscover just how hard it is to engage in an arms race with the world's richest and technically advanced nations. Especially with less than half the USSR's population and as energy exports decline.
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And surrounded by nations that are unfriendly and if conquered would be easy to supply with stingers and other guerrilla necessities. The reality for Russia is not good so they are trying to pull up and act big. Dictators need to have an external enemy, Putin recreated the cold war and used an easy victory in Georgia to pump up the patriotism but this sort of thing will not last. Especially if we have a way to disturb their vodka production.
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On the whole, on the Georgia thing, Id say the US media has done a pretty good job of covering it.
Only because the MSM hadn't yet gotten their talking points from their handlers. All the left was basically silent for a few days until they could receive their instructions. Once they had then they started with the russian propaganda. Unfortunately for them the media had gone so far in the one direction it will take time for them to modify their trajectory. If this continues for any length of time you will see the revisionists changing their tunes.
This points to a certain dwell time in the ability of the russians to get their message out to their underlings here. Something on the order of a month or two. This is a weakness and it is a window of opportunity for the west that you can expect the opposition to work feverishly to close.
That effort, moreover, will probably lead to them telegraphing their next actions. If you start seeing the left villainizing Ukraine or Poland then we will be forewarned that something is in the wind.
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Russia is feeling butt hurt over this for some reason. Who's cares the reason. Keep it up.
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LH, you missed coal. It is the only energy source that can scale and replace the gas in our cars.
As for media bias, Rasmussen July 21, 2008: found that 49% of voters believe most reporters will try to help the Democrat with their coverage, up from 44% a month ago.
Just 14% believe most reporters will try to help McCain win, little changed from 13% a month ago. Just one voter in four (24%) believes that most reporters will try to offer unbiased coverage.
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The Russkies have just handed the election to McCain. They'll be sorry.
#33
I'm thinking Georgia is a misdirection ploy to divert world attention from Russia's Artic adventures.
Plus, you've got to show that YOU have game and are willing to play it, before you can sucker countries like Iran, Cuba, and Hugo-stan into fighting proxy wars for you.
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According to Dick Morris, Putin isn't necessarily in control:
Meet Igor Sechin, nominally the Deputy Prime Minister of Russia. In fact, he is the dominant power in the Kremlin. In Russia, the speculation is over whether Putin is his puppet! According to top Kremlinologists, Sechin was calling the shots when Russia invaded Georgia.
Take a minute to look at SechinÂ’s photo. It explains all you need to know about him!
Robert Amsterdam, an international lawyer who knows all about the inner workings in Moscow, calls the invasion, in part, "an effort to sidetrack Dmitry Medvedev,” the newly elected Russian president who has focused on bringing to Russia the rule of law. Determined to show real power and to trivialize the legalisms of Medvedev, Sechin and Putin ignored the Russian president in invading their neighbor.
But Amsterdam makes a larger and more important point: The corporatist leadership of Russia, entirely dependent on oil and gas revenues for its economic viability, has an essential stake in promoting global instability. A stable world encourages a drop in oil prices. It is no coincidence that Russia is at the core of the two major threats to world stability: Iran and the invasion of Georgia. Worried by a major drop in oil prices, creating severe economic problems for Russia, the Kremlin has a cosmic interest in promoting turbulence whenever and wherever it can.
Add to threat, Joel Rosenberg believes Ezekiel prophecy teaches Iran and Russia are allies. Russia has space technology and if they are willing to share it, there is no end of bad guys willing to use it. I just hate to think they are depraved enough to ally themselves with Islamists just to spite Americans.
from wiki The NSIDC also reported that, for the first time in recorded history, the Northwest Passage opened to ships without the need of icebreakers[2][15]. The main channel of this passage (Lancaster Sound to M'Clure Strait) has been open since about August 11. As of September 10, the Northeast Passage remained blocked by a narrow band of sea ice around Severnaya Zemlya[2].
yeah theres still ice up there, but its the passage that at least the Canadians are interested in (and i think the Russians)
The dream of Frobisher, Verrazano, Cartier Henry Hudson, at last!!! Burn MORE Coal!
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Ooh, lookie. This year's colder than last with 15% more sea ice. The NW passage didn't open up last year and won't open this year either. The solar trend (therefore earth's) forecasts colder seasons.
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We and China have similar needs... The two of us should consider the advantages of working together.
#45
"I will take from thee a heart of stone, and put in a heart of flesh"
Words to ponder always. And Im 13 again when I hear them ;)
Your bar mitzah portion, dear liberalhawk? Mine was Isaih:
The mountains will dace like rams, the hills like lambs"
When a child just beginning to reach toward adulthood spends half a year working to msster and understand a single passage, it colours the rest of his life.
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Northwest Passage navigable, says federal ice authority
Randy Boswell , Canwest News Service
Published: Wednesday, August 13, 2008
The Northwest Passage has been declared "navigable" again this summer by the federal government's ice authority, the latest indication of how Canada's polar frontier is being transformed by retreating ice and the prospect of increased shipping, tourism and resource development.
While noting that the southern route of the passage is "not yet open water" and that "lots of ice" remains in the Larsen Sound area east of Victoria Island, Canadian Ice Service senior forecaster Luc Desjardins told Canwest News Service on Wednesday that "a navigable corridor surely exists now as one can avoid the various ice floes."
Vast stretches of the passage in the western Arctic are fully cleared of ice, part of an "unprecedented" opening of the Beaufort Sea caused by thinning ice, strong winds and ocean currents that have pushed floes north
DO look at the NSDIC site yourself, it has lots of interesting material too. DONT rely on what the head in the sanders say about it.
part of an "unprecedented" opening of the Beaufort Sea caused by thinning ice, strong winds and ocean currents that have pushed floes north
As you posted. A storm does not make a an ice free season. And to drill you will need an entire summer or more of open water to drill, install pumps, lay pipeline. If not, ice will crush the drilling platform and any equipment.
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(AKI) - One person was killed and twelve others were injured when a suicide bomber detonated explosives in southern Turkey on Tuesday. Turkish media reports said two suicide bombers detonated explosives at a checkpoint in the southern province of Mersin as police tried to stop the car on a highway. The suicide bomber is believed to have died in the attack, while ten police officers were injured, one of them seriously, said the Turkish daily, Hurriyet. Television footage showed images of firefighters trying to extinguish flames at the scene of the bombing.
The bomb attack occurred as the news agency Voices of Iraq reported 23 militants from the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) had been killed in Turkish military operations during the month of July. The PKK's official in charge of foreign relations, Ahmed Deniz, told the news agency that the Turkish army had conducted 35 military operations in July compared to 74 carried out by Kurdish militants in the same period.
The PKK is a militant organisation committed to an independent, socialist state in Kurdistan, an area comprising parts of Turkey, Iraq, Syria and Iran. It's also not noted for its use of suicide kaboomers. That's more an al-Qaeda kinda thing.
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Missiles fired from Afghanistan hit a militant hideout in Pakistan's tribal belt Wednesday, killing at least eight people including some foreign extremists, security officials said.
The strike in the South Waziristan region was the first since key US ally Pervez Musharraf resigned as president on Monday and left Pakistan's recently elected government in charge of tackling the militants.
Two missiles hit a house owned by a local tribesman with links to Islamic militants in Wana, the main town in South Waziristan, a known haven for Al-Qaeda and Taliban rebels, the officials said.
"It was a known hideout for militants. At least eight people were killed and some foreign militants are among them," one security official told AFP on condition of anonymity. "The missiles came from Afghanistan," the official said.
Residents said the owner of the house, named as Haji Yaqub, was wounded and was pulled from the rubble, but people were scared to stay in the area because aircraft were flying overhead. "Arabs often stayed with him (Yaqub)," one resident said.
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"Arabs often stayed with him (Yaqub)," one resident said.
Just like the old saying: lie down with dogs Arabs and ya wake up with fleas..and rubble. But mostly rubble
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"The missiles came from Afghanistan," the official said.
Now just how would he know that?
a/ he has a portable tracking system
b/ he was given the heads up from an official source
c/ the only guys with missiles accurate enough to actually hit something are there.
(AKI) - The Taliban has claimed responsibility for a devastating suicide attack that killed at least 25 and injured many others at a hospital in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province.
The attack took place as Shia Muslims gathered at the hospital in the Dera Ismail Khan district on Tuesday to mourn a local leader who had been shot dead.
The latest violence came a day after Pervez Musharraf resigned as president and as political leaders were meeting to discuss to resolve differences over the judiciary and potential presidential candidates. It also underscored the political uncertainty facing Pakistan.
An emergency was declared at the hospital soon after the bomb attack and police immediately cordoned off entire area.
According to Pakistan's Geo-TV, local Taliban spokesman, Maulvi Umer, warned that such suicide attacks would continue until the security forces ceased their operations in the Swat Valley and other parts of the North West Frontier Province areas.
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Par for the Tali-orc course. allan I am sure is proud.
Suspected separatist insurgents shot dead five Pakistani government officials nearly two weeks after they were abducted in Balochistan province, police said Tuesday. "The officials were all shot dead. Their bodies were found dumped in a mountainous area" in the town of Chatthar in Baluchistan, local police officer Qasim Seelachi said. Armed men whisked away the victims on August 7. Officials received no ransom demand and police failed to track down the kidnappers, he said. A separatist rebel group, the Balochistan Republican Army, claimed the killings hours after the bodies were recovered. "We killed them because they were government officials," BRA spokesman Sarbaz Baloch said in telephone calls to local media.
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Five soldiers and 13 suspected militants were killed in fierce clashes in Pakistan's Bajaur tribal region, an official said Tuesday. The fighting erupted when dozens of militants attacked a paramilitary post in Nawagai, 25 kilometers west of Khar, Bajaur's main town. "Around 13 militants are confirmed dead in the clashes which continued for several hours," local administration official Mohammad Jameel told AFP, adding that five soldiers lost their lives defending the checkpost. Army helicopter gunships later pounded the area, targeting militant hideouts, he said. The official said helicopters had destroyed the house of Pakistan's Taliban movement's main spokesman, Maulvi Omar, but the compound was empty and no one was killed.
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At least 20 militants were killed in a clash with security forces in Pakistan's Bajaur tribal region, a government official said Tuesday. The fighting erupted about 25 km east of Khar, the main town of the region, on Monday evening after militants attacked several security checkposts there. "The exchange of fire lasted for about nine hours and we have reports that at least 20 militants were killed," Mohammad Jameel, a senior government official in Bajaur, told Reuters.
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AHMEDABAD - Mufti Abu Basheer, accused of masterminding the serial blasts here on July 26, has confessed to his involvement in the plot, claim police. Crime branch officials said on Tuesday that Basheer denies his hand in the Jaipur (May) and Hyderabad (April 2007) explosions but they have documentary evidences to prove his involvement in these attacks.
"Basheer has been cooperative with us but gives only short replies like ‘yes’, ‘no’, ‘don't know’, ‘not in my nature’ etc”, sources said.
In-between screams ...
Basheer headed the ‘Indian Mujahideen’ group, which claimed responsibility for the explosions.
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Knock on Any Door. Famous for the 50's punk line. "Live fast, die young, leave a good-looking corpse."
KARACHI: The Chinese government detained 35 Pakistanis visiting China that they suspect of planning to attack proceedings of the Olympic Games, Daily Times learnt on Tuesday.
China has asked the Pakistani government for details of the arrested in a letter that alleged 35 suspected Pakistani militants had arrived in China to attack proceedings at the Games.
Colonel Anjum Sheikh Saeed of the Foreign Security Department wrote to the Interior Ministry on August 18, ordering the authorities concerned to collect details of those detained.
The Chinese government has not released the names of those being held, but has given the names and passport numbers of 13 which include Anwar Afridi, Dildar Khan, Darwaish, Sultan, Akbar Shah, Muhammad Amin, Qadir, Asad Masood, Afzal, Saadat and Dolat Yousaf. faraz khan
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(VOI) - Policemen arrested on Tuesday one al-Qaeda wanted man in southwestern Kirkuk, a police source said. "Police patrols of al-Zab district, southwestern Kirkuk, arrested a wanted man after receiving a tip-off who confessed to perpetrating bombing attacks," the source, who asked for anonymity, told Aswat al-Iraq - Voices of Iraq - (VOI). "The al-Qaeda wanted man lives in al-Shurqat region and he is wanted by the Multi-National Forces," he explained.
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(AKI) - A key leader from the Muslim separatist Moro Islamic Liberation Front unit that seized 15 villages in the southern Philippines two weeks ago was wounded in an ambush on Tuesday. "Ow! Y'got me, pardner!"
Kumander Ameril Umbra Kato is believed to have been injured in the attack which killed one of his colleagues in the southern province of Mindanao. They got Kato? Cheeze. The Green Hornet's gonna be pissed.
According to Manila's GMANews network, Major Armand Rico of the military's Eastern Mindanao Command said the attack occurred somewhere in the town of Kabuntalan. It was not immediately known what group was behind the attack.
Meanwhile, hundreds of Muslim guerillas attacked two towns in the Philippines troubled south on Monday, killing 34 people. The attack was the bloodiest since an agreement with the MILF collapsed earlier this month and comes just days after government troops halted an offensive against MILF rebels in another part of Mindanao.
Kato was the leader of the 105th Base Command of the Bangsamoro Islamic Armed Forces (BIAF), the armed wing of the MILF. The incident occurred hours before the government announced a generous reward for any information that would lead to Kato's arrest. It's uncanny. It's almost like the two were related.
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(AKI) - Twenty-two people have died in renewed fighting between the Sri Lankan government and Tamil Tiger rebels in the north of the island, the military said on Tuesday.
The government said its forces had killed 21 rebels and lost one soldier on Monday, in an offensive against separatists from the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam.
The fighting in Kilinochchi, Jaffna and other districts came after the government claimed to have captured a rebel training base with underground bunkers. "Troops killed 21 LTTE terrorists in Monday's fighting," said a government spokesman. "One soldier also died and 11 were wounded from the fighting."
The LTTE had no comment on the latest clashes. The military said its forces had entered the Vanni region in the north where the rebels' de facto capital Kilinochchi is located.
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Fred is currently Taking Steps to swat Rantburg's newest gadfly, a troll who delights in impersonating longtime members. The moditational crew will take out the trash as necessary.
As we head into 'lection season, we will expect to see more swarms of these gnats. It's what they do. Please continue with your civil and well-reasoned discourse.
Thank you,
Rantburg Department of Streets and Sanitation
Meanwhile, Badanov is working his magic behind the scenes to identify the gnat. Once done, we'll pass the information and more importantly, his GPS coordinates, along to the appropriate Halliburton division (Earthquake, Tsunami or Guided Rocks from Space, whoever gets to him first). Have patience.
#3
I suggest a small troll symbol at the top of the page to indicate that it's troll season. Fred could even raffle licenses.Permission to fire an effinheimer at a troll has to be worth a few bucks.
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Great stuff !
Low level Sat in orbit ...
Loading Rods 1 and 2 ! Waiting on GPS/IP co-ordinates.
#8
I practice probate law, and I've never probated a trailor in almost twenty years of practice. I've never even had a client ache for me to do that. I don't even think there's a Standard Probate Form for it.
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We've got the coordinates of his real posting location.
Hint: he's not from the right wing of the political spectrum.
If The Coward Troll could somehow beg, borrow or steal the courage it would take to meet Mr. Badanov and say those words directly to him, the asshat Troll would discover that his gonads would be as flat as two dimes in about two nano-seconds!
Poor Troll... *Sniff*
/LMAO!!
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If The Coward Troll could somehow beg, borrow or steal the courage it would take to meet Mr. Badanov and say those words directly to him, the asshat Troll would discover that his gonads would be as flat as two dimes in about two nano-seconds!
Yeah, over time, I've discovered that being online brought the very best out of people (for me), or the very worst (for everybody else), so, this doesn't surprizes me.
#12
Considering how far down on the scale of intellectual and emotional development leftists are - they believe in socialism, which puts them in a similar category to believers in perpetual motion machines, or worse, believers in perpetual motion machine conspiracy theories, e.g., evil corporations are suppressing perpetual motion technologies - leftists trolls have to be even lower down. They are not only leftists, but leftists that donÂ’t have a life.
#17
I recon hell and put the fires out not only for free but because it is my obligation and the right thing to do. How does that fit into a lumpy head? Go drink some milk, probably looking a little dificiant in vitamin d.
Mods, great work. Gonna pick up another taste of a case of Boulevard Bully! Porter for behind the bar. Mamma wife will make some tea as well just as soon as the sun comes out.
#18
We've got the coordinates of his real posting location.
Hint: he's not from the right wing of the political spectrum.
When you wade into the swampy morass of the tyrannies of central Europe "left" vs. "right" becomes an arbitrary distinction.
The Nazis had all sorts of rationalizations that they were fighting communists and zionists by invading Poland and destroying its army.
Meanwhile, at the same time, the communists were fighting fascism and naziism, by signing the Molotov-Ribbentroff pact and invading Finland, the Baltic States, and the other half of Poland, and massacring what they could capture of the Polish army at Katyn Forest. Really, ask them!
Taken in this context, I'm not suprised to read that we're all race-traitors in western civilization's fight against Islam by not nodding in approval of Putin's irregular's rape-and-pillage act of a Christian nation. It's Just Another Iteration of the process.
#20
Wanna borrow the 10-gauge, Fred? Don't shoot unless you've got a positive id - I only have nine shells left. Also, if you don't shoot the right barrel first, they both fire.
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I think it's interesting that the troll has such a weak sense of personality that he post using other peoples names.
This could be a sign of mental illness. Maybe he has a hidden secret in his life that he hides from his/her friends and projects onto this sites regulars?
#23
American left/right are not the same as European left/right... at least at the center of that range. In all cases far left and far right circle back and meet each other in totalitarianism.
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If The Coward Troll could somehow beg, borrow or steal the courage it would take to meet Mr. Badanov and say those words directly to him, the asshat Troll would discover that his gonads would be as flat as two dimes in about two nano-seconds!
Wouldn't that mean that they started out about the size of peppercorns?
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Littlegreenfootballs, Atlas Shrugs and others ran into the same problem, which is: they and Rantburg are attack websites. As such, you offer an explicit invitation to counter-attack. And, clearly your defining purpose is harassment, so you can hardly expect an ISP attorney to do anything to protect you from same. You would have protection against those who cause damage to your honor and reputation, if the purpose of your existence was to do other than that to discernible enemies. Further, you celebrate murder and openly defame. The US Code protects persons who attempt to take down websites like yours. If someone believes that your promotion of inhumanity is unconscionable, they have a right to do anything in response to your challenge. Even in the case of Denial of Service Attacks, you are fair game. You might think that you are good people; others think that your hate promotion is evil.
Your only resort is to control access to the comment pages, thus, removing any explicit or implied invitation to invoke free comment rights. LGF and others made the same idle threats above until they took legal advise. You need to register commentators, or quit the crying. You sound like the murderer who weeps for pity, while he is on the way to the electric chair. Smack yourselves on the head.
Frankly, Rantburg' comments are the bottom of the barrel. If you take pride in same, then you are rather warped. Play in your insipid little sandbox, but don't think you are immune from Fair Reply obligations. Again, you set yourselves up as fair game. That's kinda stupid. Run a website that deserves respect.
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Are there really lawyers who specialize in ISP law? Or does Deadeye Whaith7832 mean lawyers who have ISPs as clients? At any rate, Rantburg is a private website, and the owner, Mr. Pruitt, can move it to any ISP he likes, right? Finally, with all the lawyers who post at or simply read Rantburg, surely a highly effective legal team could be mustered should Mr. Pruitt find it necessary.
Not to mention all the crackerjack IT types who could have great fun if Fred would let them play with "those who try to take down Rantburg," as Deadeye Whaith7832 so gracefully writes. But it wouldn't be nice of me to suggest that, so I won't.
IOW:"run a website the way I want, with dissenting conservative viewpoints eliminated"
Right, ya little lefty fascisti? FOAD.
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"Frankly, Rantburg' comments are the bottom of the barrel. If you take pride in same, then you are rather warped. Play in your insipid little sandbox, but don't think you are immune from Fair Reply obligations. Again, you set yourselves up as fair game. That's kinda stupid. "
With a name like "deadeye" it's probably a safe guess as to which one is dead on you....I think they make pills to help with that.
As far as the people who visit post and comment here at Rantburg, I find them to be most enjoyable. They're witty, thought provoking and mostly an enjoyable read on an otherwise mundane MSM day.
Try a little "mental floss" and it my relieve your case of head up the a$$-itis.
Attack website? What would you call your post that all but calls for the takeover of the internet by Orwellian types that knows whats best for us all.
Thanks for stopping by and sharing. P.S. Sorry about the juvenile retort about your pecker.......not!
#33
How much "respect of property" should we expect from an unemployed, twenty-something lefty who lives in his mom's basement and trashes private websites using his mom's Internet hook-up. Relax, by 9 p.m. she'll send him up to bed.
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Personally I find the commentators on the burg refreshingly knowledgable. Much more then the alledged 'experts' employed by the MSM (experts in what? Bullshitting?).
As for comments being filtered...
Its my experience that only truely offensive comments get filtered. Either by potty-mouth (such as our troll...) or threats, advocacy of illegal acts, personal attacks, or just going too far. I've seen regular (and very conservative) commentors get sink-trapped. Ive also seen a number of regular liberal commentators taken seriously (Liberalhawk, 'Gentile') - sometimes they have good points.
This is in contract with your typical moveon.org and Daily KOS website which openly advocates illegal acts and the 'taking out' of US Government leaders. Take for example the heart surgery of Bill Clinton - just about everyone here on the Rant wished him well while when Tony's Snow's cancer was announced you could cut the vile comments on KOS and DU with a knife. Truely nasty disgusting comments - which were celebrated by those blogs.
#36
Quite frankly, everything was quite informative and proper until about a week ago when there was another inevitable septic wave of uncouth brigands and pompus jackasses like you DW7832.
Ive posted on here awhile. Im not always in sync 100% with the mod policy here, as LOTP will attest. I think a little more tolerance should be shown a little further left, or (my preference) a little less to certain posters on the right who are still tolerated. Though my realization of the time and effort that good modding takes makes me reluctant to criticize. But A. The owners of the site are NOT at all bigots. They clearly distinguish between members of terrorist groups, officials of rogue states, etc and innocent civilians - their focus is on strategy and politics, and not on the dissection of a religion (as Charles Johnson has been known to do, at least by implication). And they do not tolerate racist commentary, or overtly harshly bigoted commentary. While some commentary goes beyond what I would like to see, to compare this to LGF or to say its mainly about harassment is absurdly incorrect.
The gist of this site, what keeps me coming back, is its news on the nitty - gritty of conflicts around the world, some grabbed from places (like the Pakistani press) I would never make time to search myself. It can be fascinating. And SOME of the commentators can be quite interesting. And many of the folks here are actually open minded enough to listen to a dissenting voice, IF you first make clear the side you are on, and you treat certain things with respect.
I am not a lawyer, but I think your getting into a legal grey area. If you have any grounds, its not some notion of harassing web sites (which this is clearly not) but the nuances of open comments. Well, maybe its time for RB to require registration for comments. I always find it odd, that one of the few blogs WORTH registering for, is one that doesn't require it.
However if you think you advancing the cause of antibigotry by trolling here, I must inform you that in my opinion you are not, and you are only leading, by increasing feelings of censorship and persecution, to the very reactions you probably dislike.
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Frankly, Rantburg' comments are the bottom of the barrel
Most of the blogs I can think of that have distintly better comments, are also much quieter. Certainly this compares pretty well to most mass comment blogs on the right or left (or center - The Moderate Voice had some idiots as well) Indeed its not really any worse than Slates "The Fray". Ive seen some amazing nastiness over there.
Hell even TNR, which by all rights should have about the best commentators of any large volume site on the web, gets partisan hackery and veiled bigotry.
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Also, the Troll is nailing me with reasonable discourse
anyone who has to assert that they are engaging in reasoned discourse, and by imping a host, is scum of the lowest type. But then you know that already, dont you?
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Happy Hunting, Fred!
If it's coming out of the NY area like last time let me know.
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Ive posted on here awhile. Im not always in sync 100% with the mod policy here, as LOTP will attest. I think a little more tolerance should be shown a little further left, or (my preference) a little less to certain posters on the right who are still tolerated. Though my realization of the time and effort that good modding takes makes me reluctant to criticize. But A. The owners of the site are NOT at all bigots. They clearly distinguish between members of terrorist groups, officials of rogue states, etc and innocent civilians - their focus is on strategy and politics, and not on the dissection of a religion (as Charles Johnson has been known to do, at least by implication). And they do not tolerate racist commentary, or overtly harshly bigoted commentary. While some commentary goes beyond what I would like to see, to compare this to LGF or to say its mainly about harassment is absurdly incorrect.
Just wondering, LH, but have you considered that this troll you're responding to is possibly the same recently banned troll who three weeks ago was saying we were all insufficiently anti-Moslem and just starting a week and a half ago saying we were all traitors to western civilization for not showing our support of Czar Vladimir's current pillaging in georgia?
I think you're encouraging him by treating anything he says at face value, because it's probably just another lie.
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That is the weirdest interpretation of US law I have ever heard of. If your interpretation is true, then we could conceivably bring down a website whenever one of their commentators celebrate the demise of a political enemy.
Oh wait: Some folks at Huffington Post have done just that. So, I guess if you and your friends bring down rantburg that places huffington post squarely in our sights, doesn't it?
Ill make you a deal: You keep your nukes in your silos, and we will keep ours in our silos.
You can stay in your insular website decrying how we celebrate murder and we will continue to encourage and celebrate military victory after military victory in the war on terror.
I wish someone'd make me such a deal. Helluva deal iffin you ask me.
So now you stand at a crossroads. We did nothing to you to start this hateful campaign of yours.
#52
"The US Code protects persons who attempt to take down websites like yours"
Cite the proper USC Chapter, Secton and Paragraph for this vigilantism you say is legal.
"Even in the case of Denial of Service Attacks, you are fair game."
"Fair Game"? Spoken like a lock-step leftist True Believer™ or else someone reading from a Scientology propaganda techniques instruction manual.
But, unfortunately for you, it is Not So.
I suggest you look up the NIPC policy on this sort of thing. The penalties of hacking included up to ten years for the first offense and up to twenty years for the second, under title 18 section 1030(a)5A of the U.S. code, as well as other parts of Title 18.
Case law does not support you either -- I refer you to U.S. v. Bret McDanel (C.D. Cal June 25, 2002), Mr. McDanel was convicted under CFAA for maliciously bombarding a company computer system with thousands of e-mail messages. Care to try reversing that precedent in the Federal Courts?
You're obviously completely wrong, once again.
"don't think you are immune from Fair Reply obligations."
What exactly are these "Fair Reply obligations"? If you claim it as a legal basis or doctrine, produce the legal citation in the US Code for it.
But I'll save you the trouble... Ans: They do not exist.
Yet another example of your fabricating and lying.
If making up entire sets of "laws" is all you have, then you'd best rethink yourself in terms of your self-justification for breaking all sorts of laws. Your [ositions are losers, so you resort to impersonation, spewing nonsense, and attempting disruption and flooding to silence voices you disagree with, instead of engaging in arguments (that you consistently lose).
There are people here who will gut your arguments like a trout if thats the best you can do Gospodin.
#54
So you plead innocent to the charge of murder and genocide advocacy, even though you do it in this post? Dick-head! Maryland is looking at anti-hate legislation. They are already looking in the right direction. The dirt for brain class won't look very good when Bush bails out the money for nothing lenders. Eight years of stupidity are coming to an end. Gee why did I support that shit? Maybe there is secret advertising at dirt-wing websites?
#55
Ooooh. Is this the setup for one of your virtual show trials? Will those hidden reeducation camps in the middle of nowhere now be under new management? Will the black helicopters now be painted rainbow?
#56
There must be an enabling act in Maryland directly attributed to something said or posted at rantburg in order for anything posted to be considered a hate crime applied against rantburg.
Read your law.
You are advocating a Bill of Attainder against Fred and rantburg, which is specifically forbidden in the Constitution and thus in any legislative statute enacted at the state level.
You're gonna hafta to do a while lot better than that.
#57
Many Maryland groups are unhappy with the Dirt-Wing government that have saddled the majority with debts. If there is a Fall Session, State legislators will deal with Dirt-Wing groups who advocate murder and genocide.
Old Spook:
Spy a little better. The McDanel case was not appealled, because Federal Prosecutors applied directly to dump that piece of gutter court garbage. The 9th District Court (Cal) flushed that crap without defense pleading. Take a freeking hint, goof. At least one DOJ lawyer was sacked for fiduciary incompetence in that case.
#60
Many groups are unhappy with pseudoeducated pseuointellectuals who attempt by bluster to overwhelm those who actually know what they are talking about, Snolurong Munster2668, but are just as unlikely to get legislation actually passed to forbid such behaviour as your unhappy groups. Look at what Reid and Pelosi managed to fail getting passed to see how ineffective your unhappiness is in the world outside your hydrocephalic brain. But you will someday have enough experience to figure that out for yourself, I promise.
In the meantime, has it not occurred to you to be concerned that a real spy has turned his attention in your direction? If you've ever seen a James Bond movie, you know that spies do... things to those they dislike.
#61
And, while at it ... the "have your say" section of the BBC site frequently has posters calling for the USA to be nuked or gassed or worse.... So, do your com-padres plan to have Maryland ban the BBC?
#62
McDanel got his appeal because he was allegedly "helping" by reporting security issues. I happen to agreee with the appeal on that basis, but the consequences of the initial trial are still there as a warning to anyone that even comes close to violating the law in this manner.
Bottom line, and the point of my cite was that you can be convicted for DOS behavior. So go ahead and try your luck with the appellate court - I hope you have good pro-bono lawyers, because its going to cost you a ton either way.
Now to get things back to the situation here
" Section 1030(a)(5)(A) prohibits transmission of code, programs or information with the intent to cause damage to a protected computer. Damage is defined as any impairment to the integrity or availability of data, a program or system."
What part of that did you not understand?
Its applicable if your intent is malicious, as was certainly stated.
No such excuse of "helping" applies to Denial of Service attacks that are done wiht malicious intent, designed to silence a site due to political views expressed at the site.
Care to try again to justify an illegal act?
And care to produce ANY citations for the other BS that you conveniently ignored?
#65
To clarify - even though McDanel was right in what he did, he still served 16 months in prison before the Federales asked the appellate court to reverse the extremely wrong conviction.
That serves as a warning to anyone that believes the law allows DOS attacks.
Recall that it was YOU who stated the law allows for DOS attacks on sites you don't like. Clearly a lie on your part.
Think about it: If they can do that, 16 months in the pen, to an innocent man who acted without malice by mistakenly applying the law badly, then think what they will do to someone like you who is acting in malice and clearly violating the law.
So my point stands, and its quite clear that vigilante DOS attacks are not permitted in the law, not even by would-be lefty little tyrants like you. Again, you lose, despite the little context dropping side trip you tried to get away with (and your glaring lack of any rational response to the original challenges).
New and Improved Mr Wonka says to you, a would-be criminal:
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Jeatch Bucket6607 - thats what biz a lot of the folks here are in. Why do you think the database is here. Also, lots of SpecOps and Nighttime warriors of the best kind. Think... coin carrying, Uncle Sam sanctions heros...
I've met a few... they are the "good guys" in bad times. Your picking on Uncle Sams favorites. Not a good idea.
You on the other hand appear to be of the yellow bellied sapsucker genre. Not even the flock these wolves protect... rather a tiny bird flitting about...
A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.
Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has
dominated Mexico for six years.
Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No
trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
A U.S. soldier who survived a deadly Taliban ambush last month tells CNN's Barbara Starr what his troops faced. 
Le Monde a French news source writes that French soldiers supposedly killed by Taliban would have been killed by Nato-friendly fire. According to a wounded soldier, the NATO airstrikes meant to enable soldiers out of the ambush have missed their target and hit french soldiers, along with fire from Afghan soldiers in positioned downstream. Radio communications had been cut creating a great frustration among the soldiers stuck at the pass.”
At least six suicide bombers have been killed in an attempted attack on a Nato military base in south-eastern Afghanistan, Nato officials have said. The militants failed to storm Camp Salerno in Khost province, where many US troops are based, Nato and Afghan officials said. Nato has faced a barrage of attacks across the country since Monday. 
Before the attack in Khost, the Taleban announced that a group of 30 Taleban fighters would attack Camp Salerno. Isaf confirmed that Camp Salerno had been attacked by rockets or mortars, and that a number of suicide bombers had tried to storm the base. "Isaf forces on the base had before identified a group of insurgents posturing to attack the base and engaged them with small arms fire," a statement said. "Helicopters arrived on station soon after and engaged these insurgents as they attempted to flee from the scene. 
(SomaliNet) A senior leader of the Justice and Equality Movement (JEM) is among the eight Darfur rebels sentenced eight to death on Sunday for their involvement in an unprecedented attack on the capital. Chanting for a new Sudan and for justice before the court, the eight rebels including JEM leader Khalil Ibrahim's half brother Abdel Aziz el-Nur Ashr said they had no reason to ask for leniency. "The court is sentencing all eight accused to death by hanging," said judge Mudathir Rashid Sidahmed. 
(AKI) - The Taliban has claimed responsibility for a devastating suicide attack that killed at least 25 and injured many others at a hospital in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province.
AHMEDABAD - Mufti Abu Basheer, accused of masterminding the serial blasts here on July 26, has confessed to his involvement in the plot, claim police. Crime branch officials said on Tuesday that Basheer denies his hand in the Jaipur (May) and Hyderabad (April 2007) explosions but they have documentary evidences to prove his involvement in these attacks.
