nuthin funy bowt this at all. as em former star scoutima extremely sadend by this:
BOWLING GREEN, Va. -- They were deeply devoted to the Boy Scouts, traveling thousands of miles to the woods of northern Virginia for 10 fun-filled days of fishing, archery and storytelling beside the campfire. One of their first tasks: Set up a large tent.
But the task went terribly awry when they lost control of a giant tent pole and it hit some nearby power lines, killing four Scout leaders as horrified youngsters looked on, said Bill Haines, a Scout executive in Alaska.
Karl Holfeld said his 15-year-old son Taylor, witnessed the accident and was on his cell phone to his mother back home in Alaska when the electrocutions occurred.
The boys "all started screaming," Holfeld told the Anchorage Daily News. "He said, 'Oh my God, oh my God, the tent is on fire, they're being burned!'"
The Scouts spent Tuesday reviewing safety procedures and mourning the deaths of the four men, but said the event would begin Wednesday as planned, with an evening speech by President Bush. A memorial service will be held during the opening ceremony of the Jamboree, which draws more than 40,000 Scouting enthusiasts from around the world.
Scout adviser David Tracewell, 54, of Kansas City, said that the mood "became very somber" as word of the tragedy spread around Fort A.P. Hill -- a sprawling Army base about an hour south of Washington.
"These scout leaders ... get to know these kids very well," he said. "I'm sure these kids are devastated. They're their mentors, their leaders that become like their second dads."
The dead were identified as Michael J. Shibe, 49, Mike Lacroix, 42, and Ronald H. Bitzer, 58, all of Anchorage; and Scott Edward Powell, 57, of Perrysville, Ohio. Shibe had two sons at the Jamboree and Lacroix had one; the three children all returned home to Alaska.
more at leenk. say em prayer fore thees kids an teh scowt leeders familys wuld ya. a trajik time for em dying american enstetooshen. ima gotta see how ima can hep scowts in em austin area.
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Our receptionist at work knew the three Alaska scout leaders and their boys. I found her sitting outside the office yesterday when I came into work. She saw the item on the news when she opened up the computer. Pretty devastated.
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They and their families are in my prayers.
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My wife works for the Scouts and a lot of her people were in the vicinity when it happened. They included doctors, EMTs and firefighters and they told her it happened so fast there was nothing they could do.
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I saw the general layout of the tent/poles on Fox. WTF were they thinking? The power lines couldn't have been more than 15' above ground and the poles were 20'+ for a big ass tent....bad move. Condolescences, obviously.....a purely avoidable tragedy
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Ship, my cousin was electrocuted with the associated burns when the Hobie cat she was on hit a power line crossing a reservoir in Texas. Lucky that she lived.
I wonder if the assholes at the ACLU who are trying to eliminate the scouts held a party after this? Did I tell you they are assholes? Cause they are.
Feeling a little weak or strong?
China's government last week issued new regulations that limits the performing arts, including plays and concerts.
Any activities deemed harmful to the state are banned under the new rules. The State Council rules also regulate how foreign entertainment enterprises can hold activities.
"Commercial performances should not ... endanger state unity, sovereignty or territorial integrity, endanger state security or the honor or interests of the state," stated the regulations, printed in the leading People's Daily.
Commercial art performances should not "oppose the basic principles of the constitution that place the Communist Party as the ruling party."
Performances must not disrupt social order or stability, spread pornography, superstition or violence, or infringe on the legitimate rights of citizens, the regulations said.
Foreigners can coordinate shows with Chinese partners but are banned from running song, dance or theater groups.
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I guess they would take a dim view of nearly everything available for a Sony Playstation.
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as I noted: this either shows kneejerk repression or feeling-strong repression....ZF? comments?
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I wonder what percentage of Chinese performing arts is still live, as opposed to VHS, VCD, DVD, etc? If the US cracked down on theater performance artists rubbing feces all over themselves, I wonder if we would notice?
Tastewise, I'll bet it does succus... Pyongyang, July 26 (KCNA) -- Pyongyang University of Medicine in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea has made pine pollen nutritive succus. The succus is made by hydrolyzing nutrients of pine pollen. It contains eight kinds of essential amino acid, 12 kinds of nonessential amino acid, nine sorts of vitamins, 15 sorts of microelements and other ingredients including sex hormone and growth-stimulating matters. Tastes great on tree bark. But not moss for some reason...
It help maintain healthy succus membranes...
It is very efficacious for malnutrition and digestive disorders. In particular, it improves liver trouble, nutritional dropsy and liver ascites by removing adipose and increasing the quantity of serum albumin. Efficacious for malnutrition? Nah, too easy...
Though a coupla bags of Little Tavern burgers will help malnutrition more effectively. But they will give you gas...
The strong acid-fast medicine is also available for the prevention of aging and healing of radiation damage. Healing of radiation damage? Nah, even easier...
It, which makes it possible to absorb nutritive matters in intestines, is potent for the patients suffering the loss of digestion function and the aged with weak intestines. Its efficacy is not less than that of dried blood plasma. The treatment period is about 15 days and one should take 500 ml of succus a day. And if you're still alive, you probably weren't sick anyways...
Prof. and Dr.Yun Nam Hak of the university told KCNA that one can take it without a doctor's help and it has no side-effect. Just look the picture of Kim Jong Il on the bottle. The other bottle...
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The whiplash I get from DPRK stories is truly painful. That they are so hysterical - in both the humorous and maniacal senses - coupled with the underlying truth that this entire country is literally starving just utterly boggles.
Although I have no doubt that the US approach to dealing with this abomination has been dead solid perfect since Dubya took over, it's still the slowest and most painful train wreck I can imagine.
*head shake*
I once wrote that China was history's biggest bunch of losers - 6000+ years of proud toadying is pretty fucking hard to explain to a free man descended from "You talkin' to me?" Jacksonians - but the NorKies come in a close second. Imagine the total brain-fry it takes to create a nation of people willing to calmly fucking starve to death for that little cretin.
You can, indeed, raise humans to accept / believe anything.
Just a little news from the business world. Kinda funny reading about France trying to protect anything from a takeover.
Chirac Seeks to Protect Cos. From Takeover
Wednesday July 27, 12:45 pm ET
By Christine Ollivier, Associated Press Writer
French President Jacques Chirac Seeks to Protect Companies From Foreign Takeover
PARIS (AP) -- President Jacques Chirac called Wednesday for measures to defend French companies from foreign takeover, a week after rumors of an imminent PepsiCo bid for Paris-based Danone sparked public indignation and pledges of government intervention.
Chirac asked ministers to come up with new proposals to "reinforce the protection of our strategic companies," in comments relayed to reporters by the government's official spokesman, Jean-Francois Cope.
"Last week was marked by strong concern about the possible takeover of a French company by a foreign group," Chirac said while rushing to grab the nearest white flag.
The Danone affair highlighted the vulnerability of many French companies and the fragmentation of their capital, he said, which "carries risks for employment and for our industrial strength."
Shares in Danone SA, whose brands include Dannon yogurt and Evian water, soared last week amid rumors of an imminent bid from U.S.-based PepsiCo Inc. -- partly fueled by a series of government comments signaling readiness to oppose any takeover attempt by the maker of Pepsi-Cola, Tropicana juices and Fritos chips.
The speculation calmed after France's market watchdog said PepsiCo had denied preparing a bid. But Danone shares, which closed 1.5 percent lower Wednesday at 83.15 euros ($99.70), remain about 14 percent higher than at the start of the month, when the takeover rumors began to fly.
While blanket opposition to all foreign takeovers was "out of the question," Chirac said, the government should "examine whether changes are needed in company law or accounting standards in order to encourage long-term investment."
He also called for "mobilization" among banks, investment and pension funds, mutual funds and insurers to encourage more stable, long-term investment in French companies and greater participation by employees.
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Now comes the tricky part, Chiraq. Take a company like Vivendi. French conglomerate buying up things all over the world (other companies in many fields). Then things go south and their get their financial asses kicked. The marketplace is a 2-edged sword. Prohibit others from acquiring companies in France, and ones tit is another's tat. Beware of what you ask for when building a socialist paradise in a market economy.
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Now, my problem is that I would dearly love to prohibit foreign countries, particularly China, from buying American companies....
WASHINGTON â Outed CIA spy Valerie Plame last fall gave a campaign contribution to go toward an anti-Bush fund-raising concert starring Bruce Springsteen, it was revealed Tuesday night. It's the first revelation that Plame participated in anti-Bush political activity while working for the CIA.
Other than sending her husband to Niger
The $372 donation to the anti-Bush group America Coming Together, first reported by Time magazine's Web site, was made in Plame's married name of Valerie E. Wilson and covered two tickets. The Federal Election Commission record lists her occupation as "retired" even though she's still a CIA staffer. Under employer it says: "N.A."
Naughty, naughty, lying to the Feds like that. Just ask Martha.
A special prosecutor is probing whether Plame's CIA identity was leaked to retaliate against her husband, Joseph Wilson, for attacking President Bush's Iraq policy after he went on an Iraq-linked CIA mission arranged by his wife.
Wilson â who played an active role in Democrat John Kerry's losing 2004 presidential campaign â said the anti-Bush concert was "great" and told Time that his wife "doesn't recall listing herself as retired."
CIA rules allow campaign contributions, but the fact that Plame gave money to the anti-Bush effort is likely to raise eyebrows. Federal rules require a political-action committee to ask all donors to list their employers. "You don't have to provide it, but if you do, you shouldn't provide false information on those forms â like saying you're retired if you're not," said Larry Noble of the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics. America Coming Together is one of the anti-Bush activist groups bankrolled by Bush-opposing billionaire George Soros. He gave the group around $10 million.
Special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's probe has raised questions about whether top Bush aides such as Karl Rove played a role in outing Plame. Rove has said he relayed her role in arranging her husband's CIA trip, but didn't know she was undercover. White House officials say Rove was seeking to discredit Wilson's attacks on Bush by noting that Wilson only got picked for the CIA mission because of his wife.
A bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee report found that Plame did arrange her husband's trip even though he repeatedly denied it.
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...non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics.
Complete bullshit; they're just to the right of the Brookings Institution.
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I thought it was ok - required, even - for spies to lie about who they worked for. I mean, if a spy is filling out a loan application to buy a new house does he list under 'Occupation' "Spy" and under 'Employer' "CIA"?
Come on, Old Spook, tell us the answer.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's call for an ideological cease-fire in the Democratic Party drew an angry reaction yesterday from liberal bloggers and others on the left, who accused her of siding with the centrist Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) in a long-running dispute over the future of the party...
The reaction highlighted the dilemma Democratic politicians face trying to satisfy energized activists on the left ... grassroots activists, symbolized by groups such as MoveOn.org and liberal bloggers, have assumed since the 2004 election. The most pointed critique of Clinton came in one of the most influential blogs on the left, Daily Kos...
"If she wanted to give a speech to a centrist organization... she could've worked with NDN," the blog said in a reference to the New Democrat Network, ... [its about as centrist as Stalin's Politburo]
... with which Daily Kos's Markos Moulitsas is associated. I've pointed out how the Democrats have become Arabized over time believing loony conspiracy theories, demonizing people they disagree with; now they've added another Arab trait - the way the extremists ridicule people they think too moderate
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I think it says a lot that Daily 'Screw Them' Kos is considered one of the most influential blogs on the left. It does symbolize the left... full of impotent hate for all things good.
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Then I'll have to crush them like bugs. Stand in the way of my ambition? I don't think so...
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They will crawl along behind her in the end anyway. Lemmings are like that. I'm waiting for Hillary to get Chelsea to enlist in the army just months before the election.
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MoveOn was set up to get her elected. That it's what it's true goal was. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain." Dems are such foolish tools.
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This is a stark parallel to history past. Hitler, upon consolidation of his power, had his original supporters killed. The night of the long knives.
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We are pleased that you no longer reserve your popcorn graphic for actions by people like us, but use them to characterize your own "democratic" politics. This affirms what we've been saying all along, that our use of guns and bombs is not really any different from political conflict anywhere else, and that politics in western politics is a charade.
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She'd hang Chelsea up on a meathook and gut her if that's what it took. Folks like Hillary eat their own at the drop of a hat. Species specific it is.
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The Kos Kiddies are already seething at Lieberman and Obama and Byrd for being "DINOs," and they think Durbin apologized because "Rove got to him."
Good heavens, this'll be more fun than Lenin vs. Trotsky.
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[O]nly because of a New York Daily News tidbit do we know that Bronx-based Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club nearly shut down major programs recently, because almost $500,000 in governmental grant money was instead diverted to Air America's liberal radio network.
It's taken a mad scramble by area politicians, including Rep. Joe Crowley (D-Bronx) to find a way to keep several programs for disadvantaged children and seniors from disappearing.
It begins with former Air America CEO Evan Cohen, who resigned last year from the network after some of its more infamous early debacles. You might remember Cohen was a key part of an HBO documentary, detailing its first days.
Cohen also happened to serve on Gloria Wise's board and convinced club leader and community activist Charles Rosen to "invest" at least $480,000 in the upstart political talk network.
Hat tip to Michelle Malkin. Anyone want to bet this NEVER gets any MSM coverage?
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Let's see if I understand: the leaders of the Club diverted money to fund their private political agenda, probably exceeding their powers (I doubt major donations like this can be done without teh consent of a general assembly) and, since they take public money, probably violating a dozen of laws about proper use of money granted by the local/state/federal governments.
But whle the case against the people is quite clear I fear the people of Hot Air can play ignorant.
BTW: Is Air America still airing or has it gone tits up?
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How exactly was the Boys & Girls Club allowed to "invest" their grant money in the first place? Is that a standard practice, and more importantly, is it legal? I could use some grant money myself to lay down on the horses.
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"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Rodham Clinton
No one on Rantburg accuses the Hildebeast of being stupid ...
No wonder 2008 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has been silent as a churchmouse about Karl Rove while her Democratic colleagues call for his prosecution for leaking classified information about CIA employee Valerie Plame. Turns out - in the only case in U.S. history of a person successfully prosecuted for leaking classified information to the press - Hillary's husband pardoned the guilty party.
On January 20, 2001, President Clinton pardoned Samuel Loring Morison, a civilian analyst with the Office of Naval Intelligence. In 1984, Morison had been convicted of providing classified satellite photos of an under-construction Soviet nuclear-powered aircraft carrier to Britain's Jane's Defence Weekly. He received a two-year jail sentence.
In pardoning Morison, Clinton dismissed the advice of the CIA. "We said we were obviously opposed - it was a vigorous 'Hell, no,'" one senior intelligence official told the Washington Post at the time. "We think ... giving pardons to people who are convicted of doing that sends the wrong signal to people who are currently entrusted with classified information."
Morison is the only person ever successfully prosecuted under the 1917 Espionage Act, the law invoked by Democrats who want to nail Rove after it became clear that he didn't violate the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act.
But it's going to be difficult for Dems to feign national security outrage over Plame's outing when the husband of their party's presidential front-runner let an actual convicted leaker off the hook. Last week, when Sen. John Kerry called for Mr. Rove to be fired, with Hillary standing by his side, she nodded silently. When reporters asked her what she thought of the alleged Rove outrage, she offered only, "I'm nodding."
No doubt while remembering her husband's pardon of Mr. Morison.
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Said it before and will say it again - Hillary has nothing to run on except hopes for new catastrophes affecting America. The more American-specific levels of casualties, GOP Admin ergo GOP-blamed, the better for her - the "centrist" LeftMedias's defense of hubby Bill andor the merits of Government-led Regulations, etc. in time of Lefty national emergency that's not a national enemrgency is NOT doing or accomplishing anything for her. Unless some severe event(s) happens, Hillary might as well plan/work on becoming a Senate lifer.
Egypt has accused Nigeria of abandoning African interests to increase its own chances of obtaining a permanent seat on the UN Security Council. Nigeria was willing to back down on the African demand that its two permanent seats in the Security Council should have veto power, Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said. It would also accept a total of four rather than five non-permanent seats for Africa in the council, he said, adding that the intention was to boost its own chances of gaining a permanent seat. Nigeria's actions came during a meeting in London, which it chaired, to hammer out a common African position.
The oil-producing state "tried to subjugate the African position to narrow interests in a way which does not reflect the required transparency in dealings between African states," Gheit said. "It would abandon the fifth seat to another continent while working for its direct interest, imagining that it would thus have a better chance of obtaining a permanent seat," the minister added. Nigeria and Egypt, along with South Africa, are the main contenders for the two permanent African seats.
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Heh. Talk about fighting over nothing, this fairly describes it.
NASA released an image Tuesday night of space shuttle Discovery striking a bird seconds after Tuesday's launch, according to Local 6 News.
PETA must be enraged at NASA for allowing bird in a dangerous area...
"It happened just as Discovery was clearing the launch pad and it is too early to tell whether that strike caused any flight safety issues," Local 6 News reporter Mike DeForest said.
The image was captured by one of more than 100 cameras photographing every angle of Discovery's launch.
chirp - chirp - splat
"Without ever having seen these camera angles before, they don't know if debris has always shed off or if they had hit birds in the past," DeForest said. "This is their first glimpse and of course they will do inspections later this week to see if that caused any type of dangerous situation."
NASA officials are also analyzing video of a portion of Tuesday's shuttle launch "frame-by-frame" after one of several cameras aboard the craft captured what appeared to be pieces of debris separating from Discovery, according to Local 6 News.
"Mission managers spoke after the liftoff and said they had no idea what the debris was, whether it was foam or something else," Local 6 News reporter Donald Forbes said. "They had no idea where it came from. They said they are going to go over each frame of film and of tape to try to find out where it came from."
Local 6 News reported 107 high-definition still, video and film cameras were focused on the shuttle Tuesday.
Shuttle Columbia only had a few cameras in use and some were not working, according to the report.
I will hold my tongue on that one... Incompetent b.....ds
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AFAICR, when the shuttle's that low, it's not moving real fast. I'm sure the bird wasn't in great shape, but I doubt there was any damage to the ship.
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That bird was truly toasted about one second later.
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wind farming + chicken plucking = cogeneration
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First the bird is softened up, then it's roasted by the engines. I wonder if PETA will issue a solidarity with this brave "Eco-Militant" in its brave attempt to stop the shuttle.
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Foxworthy has a bit about shooting chickens out of a cannon at airplane windshields to test their resistance to just such an eventuality, and we all know how many rednecks there are working for NASA...
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Yah, I heard about that.
I also heard it helps a lot if you defrost the chickens first.
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Chris W.-Foxworthy has a bit about shooting chickens out of a cannon at airplane windshields to test their resistance
NASA May be trying to go into a new line of products, and needs to have tender meat...
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I also heard it helps a lot if you defrost the chickens first.
Mythbusters did a couple(!) of shows on this. I can't remember their final results.
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Let me guess the results. Through the windshield, fuselage, and cinderblock wall, comming to rest against a chain link fence a quarter mile away.
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Angie,
Possible flight safety issues would arise if the bird-or bird parts-bounced and hit shuttle. Or if hitting bird knocked something loose from the External Tank that then hit shuttle.
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Zimbabwean Tyrant President Robert Mugabe has signed a deal with his Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao in Beijing. Very good, Bob. You have starved enough of your own people to get the CCP's Red Star of Approval.
The details have not been made public but China was expected to seek mineral and other trade concessions in exchange for economic help. Zimbabwe needs hard currency to repay loans or face expulsion from the IMF. Look, I'm not really a whore. I just needed money badly.
Mr Mugabe has adopted a "Look East" policy, after being ostracised in the West over alleged human rights abuses. Remember, they are only "alleged," unlike the Gulags the USA has set up.
Bob and the Chinese quickly came to an agreement on human rights.
China has promised to help Zimbabwe and to not interfere in "internal affairs". We let the local satraps oppress the people all they want.
China "trusts Zimbabwe's government and people have the ability to deal properly with their own matters", a foreign ministry statement said. We'll give them enough weapons to make sure.
China, one of the world's fastest growing economies, is already ranked as one of Zimbabwe's largest trading partners and has supplied buses, civilian and military aircraft to Mr Mugabe's government. In contrast, Zimbabwe is one of the world's fastest shrinking economies, with high unemployment, soaring inflation and shortages of food and fuel.
The ties between China and Mr Mugabe date back to the 1970s war of independence, when fighters from his Zanu party were armed by the Chinese. Once a murderous commie, always a murderous commie
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Saw the title and though it had to be Scrappleface. No, just another dictator selling off his people's assets after destroying their economy. ZimBob is yet another slow-motion train wreck. And the UN? Lol, send us the money, of course.
We should all be thankful that Muggy got pissed at the BBC - otherwise they wouldn't be reporting dick about this shithole and it's shithead.
South Africa needs to revise its approach to land reform to end racial inequalities, government officials say. At a national land summit in Johannesburg, Deputy President Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka said the current market-based approach was not working. Landless people's activists remained sceptical about the announcement. Eighty per cent of agricultural land is owned by white South Africans, who make up only 10% of the population - the legacy of apartheid laws.
Since coming to power in 1994, the current government has adopted a "willing buyer, willing seller" approach to land redistribution, paying market prices for land that white owners are prepared to sell, and then distributing it to landless blacks. "The pace of reform has been negatively influenced by the willing buyer, willing seller approach, Ms Mlambo-Ngcuka told the meeting. "Markets don't have mechanisms to redistribute land for the poor." Asked whether this would require new legislation, Land and Agriculture Minister Thoko Didiza told the BBC: "This will be decided by the outcome of the summit."
The Landless People's Movement (LPM), which has been campaigning for government to speed up land reform, seemed sceptical about the government's proposals. "It is one thing to say it, and another to implement it," said Randall Rossouw, an activist from Western Cape province. The LPM staged a protest march to the conference venue, calling for an end to the willing buyer willing seller approach.
Minister Didiza said that by 2014, the government will have been able to deliver 30% of agricultural land to the black majority. So far, only 4% of land has been acquired by the government from private owners for redistribution purposes, and unused state land has also been redistributed. The land summit - which brings together politicians, landowners and organisations representing people who hope to benefit from land reform - will discuss ways of speeding up the redistribution process. White farmers are concerned that changes could create an atmosphere conducive for land grabs, similar to the land invasions seen on white-owned farms in Zimbabwe.
You would think they'd have seen what a disaster this turned out to be in Zim-Bob's-Way, but nooooo!
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Anybody know if there's a white flight problem in SA?
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AlanC: white flight is going to be a real problem, for a simple reason -- most whites in South Africa have nowhere to go. Some of the English-speaking whites qualify for British passports, but most of the Afrikaaners have ancestors who came to the Cape before the Zulus and Xhosas arrived. No country in the world is going to give them passports.
If Mbeki really wants to wreck SA, this is how he'll do it. A reasonable compromise would be for the government to buy agricultural land at market prices and distribute to the landless, but I don't see the commies progressives in the SA government being that sensible.
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The only poor people who should get land should be in tightly controlled cooperatives, managed by those who know agribusiness. Just giving people land who have no idea of how to use it properly is useless, as is distribution to small scale farms that lack economy of size. A cooperative "board" would be the managers, who spend all of their time learning the proper management of the cooperative, under the expert, while the workers they manage are paid laborers. Once a board member is certified as an expert, he becomes the head of a new cooperative and a new board of trainee managers. This "reproductive" system multiplies the number of trained manager operated cooperatives while at the same time employing a large number of workers. From their first harvest, every cooperative is a money-maker, a portion of whose profits are used to obtain the land for subsequent cooperatives.
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Great Idea worked so well for Zimbabwae. I wonder how long it will take the SA to reconlonize thier country with the Chineese owners like Zimbabwae is having to do now. What is so stupid about this whole PC world today is the fact that people for generations have moved and changed location. Just because whites live today were blacks used to or whatever senerio you want to play dont mean sh*t. People move around. I wonder how long before this new PC world is going to decide to relocate all of the people of the earth to some X date in history who knows whos next Australia after all the Aborigines were thier first or maybe America ya know the indians were here first or hell maybe America should go to the Chineese they say they were the first to cross the land bridge?? hmmm
The fact of the matter is that if we are supposed to live in a non-racial world the fact that 80% of the farms are white owned should not matter as long as it is free market and they continue to produce. You cant claim to be ending racism with more racism in the opposite form that is stupid because then what does todays racism victims children in the future get to impose racism on todays racism benefactors children and so on and so on at some point it just has to stop.
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Not to mention Zimbabwae had a very small white population and no one really believed what was happening was going to happen. I garantee when they kick up the land grab in S. Africa the whites there are alot more organized and determined. They wont go without a fight and it will be bloody. And when it comes to that the old time race baiters will have a real racist problem to deal with and thier wont be a easy fix.
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Whites in africa would have no problem getting foreign passports. If they are owners of sizeable farms that tells me they have money. If you have money, nearly any country in the world will open its arms to you. It's the refuges and asylum seekers that come and mooch off the welfare systems that nobody wants.
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And while I'm bitching about africa, didn't Zimbabwe have sizeable exports of food before the big land grabs? Now they need emergency food for how many millions of people?
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BigJim, Zimbabwe was once one of the most productive agricultural societies anywhere, and was referred to as the breadbasket of Southern Africa. But Big Bob took the farms and drove those with the years of experience away.
Now some of those African farming experts are showing up in other countries, I think Botswana is one, and they are starting to drastically improve the agricultural output there. Note that the people with this expertise are both white and black. The former black managers and senior staff of these farms have years of knowledge. I'm sure the situation is the same in SA. The key is to not drive this knowledge away as it cannot be replaced.
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And don't be forgetin dem war veterans when ya be reformin dat land. Make sure ya throws in a whitey to do da plantin. As I find out the hard way dat shit don't grow itself.
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07/27/2005 13:31 Comments ||
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several of ZimBobLand's neighbors have welcomed teh black and white farmers that fled Bob's "cultural growth". Seems the neighbors like to eat, and even, lo and behold! Export food for $
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/27/2005 13:49 Comments ||
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.com have you a copy of Hendras (I think) food scuplture.... Meat Lie the Shame of a Nation? I have hardcopy stashed somewhere..... time for a new scanner maybe
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I work with a bunch of people from SA, Namibia, Zimbobwae and Swaziland. Most have been in in the US for about 5 years. They know exactly whats coming. None are US citizens yet but all have applied, they go back to SA on average once a year. The SAer's all say they thought apartheid was awful but the only way to maintain "civilization".
There is quite a bit of white flight out of there, street crime is out of control, social services are overburdened to the point of being ineffective.
And they all pray that the dismantaling of their nuke program was for real, they equate an South African Nuke in control of the ruling party there as the same as giving a 4 year old a loaded magnum..
- because of the curves, the cladding will be very expensive
- it's so thin that the usuable square footage is very low compared to the space needed for structural elements
- it's pretty far from the closest CTA stop and to close to Lake Michigan for a deep underground parking garage.
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Shrek: Dya suppose they're compensating for sumpthin?
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/27/2005 10:11 Comments ||
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Proposals like this crop up in the Chicago area every couple of years. I think a lot of it has to do with what I call "The Second City Syndrome". I doubt that this ever gets built much less any serious talk about funding go anywhere. But then I never thought Milwaukee would pull off the Calavatra designed addition to the Art Museum
What I'd like to see midsized-buildings with grass and trees on top. Basically it shouldn't look like a building from above but more like a park. If enough companies did that you'd have more light into the city and a more pleasant area in general to live in. It would also get more work for gardeners and could be paid for partially by the National Endowment for the Arts (assuming they aren't bankrupted by my border 'mural').
#13
Looks like the Chinese (or North Koreans?) have finally been able to drill thru the center of the earth. But why choose Chicago?
Posted by: Rafael ||
07/27/2005 15:23 Comments ||
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White Slag towers?
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/27/2005 15:46 Comments ||
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Article: Developer Donald Trump, who is constructing a 92-floor, 1,360-foot skyscraper in Chicago for luxury condominium buyers, said Carley's proposed building would not be economically viable in the post-September 11 climate.
"Nobody is going to want to live in a building that's a target," he told the Chicago Sun-Times.
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Where are the anti-aircraft turrets, incase Jihadis want to try something?
Biged, I imagine it works somewhat like the Eye of Moldar(sp?). Tip of the tower lights up and shoots out a beam of light, in this case a "la-zer" beam.
Posted by: Charles ||
07/27/2005 18:05 Comments ||
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rjschwarz,
What I'd like to see midsized-buildings with grass and trees on top.
High winds..
Trees..
Ouch..
Posted by: Dawg, Red ||
07/27/2005 20:16 Comments ||
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no pine cones, k?
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/27/2005 20:27 Comments ||
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NEW DELHI - India on Tuesday test-fired its surface-to-air Trishul missile from a test range in the eastern state of Orissa, defence officials said. The short-range missile, which means Trident in Hindi, was tested from a mobile launcher at the test range in Chandipur, 220 kilometres northeast of the state capital Bhubaneswar on Tuesday morning.
Posted by: Steve White ||
07/27/2005 00:00 ||
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heeelllloooo Pakland!
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/27/2005 0:16 Comments ||
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King Mswati signed into law a new national constitution on Tuesday at a ceremony held in the royal kraal at Ludzidzini, the traditional setting for important national announcements. "I am here to bless the nation's constitution," Mswati told a crowd of about 5,000 Swazis gathered inside the large cattle enclosure.
After a nine-year gestation period, the new constitution does not fundamentally alter Swaziland's system of governance: ultimate power will remain in the hands of the Swazi king, putting a constitutional seal on a 1973 decree by Mswati's father, King Sobhuza, which overturned the constitution bequeathed by the British in 1968.
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Yeah. And hustle it up on that there aid money, dig? My people be sufferin...and my jet needs some work.
Posted by: King Mswati ||
07/27/2005 9:40 Comments ||
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#2
How many forced nude women did he take for new brides in the latest festival?
A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.
Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has
dominated Mexico for six years.
Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No
trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
Pyongyang, July 26 (KCNA) -- Pyongyang University of Medicine in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea has made pine pollen nutritive succus. The succus is made by hydrolyzing nutrients of pine pollen. It contains eight kinds of essential amino acid, 12 kinds of nonessential amino acid, nine sorts of vitamins, 15 sorts of microelements and other ingredients including sex hormone and growth-stimulating matters. 
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's call for an ideological cease-fire in the Democratic Party drew an angry reaction yesterday from liberal bloggers and others on the left, who accused her of siding with the centrist Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) in a long-running dispute over the future of the party...
Egypt has accused Nigeria of abandoning African interests to increase its own chances of obtaining a permanent seat on the UN Security Council. Nigeria was willing to back down on the African demand that its two permanent seats in the Security Council should have veto power, Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said. It would also accept a total of four rather than five non-permanent seats for Africa in the council, he said, adding that the intention was to boost its own chances of gaining a permanent seat. Nigeria's actions came during a meeting in London, which it chaired, to hammer out a common African position. 
King Mswati signed into law a new national constitution on Tuesday at a ceremony held in the royal kraal at Ludzidzini, the traditional setting for important national announcements. "I am here to bless the nation's constitution," Mswati told a crowd of about 5,000 Swazis gathered inside the large cattle enclosure.
