I say there's no evidence there's any such thing as a Muslim "intellectual." In evidence, I cite the following...
.... During this past year leading up to the third anniversary of the attacks, there has been a consistent stream of articles and TV programs in the region's government-controlled media continuing to focus on conspiracy theories surrounding the attacks. The commemoration within the region's media includes statements made by leading professors, religious leaders, government officials, and even Muslim-Americans. These conspiracy theories primarily state that Arabs and Muslims were not involved and that the U.S. government and/or Jews/Israel are the true culprits. While it should be no surprise that Iran, a country with no official ties with the U.S., is supporting many lies regarding September 11, the U.S.'s closet Arab allies, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, are also supportive of these lies.
In Egypt, Former Dean of Humanities at 'Ein Shams University, Mustafa Shak'a, was interviewed by Iqra TV on June 16, 2004. Shak'a attributed the September 11 attacks to the U.S. and the Jews: "To this day, we don't know who attacked the U.S. on September 11. Why is the attack attributed to bin Laden although it has not been proven that he was involved in the operation? It is way above his capabilities. Those who created him have made him a legend. The operation was 100% American, and this is not the place to elaborate, but what proves the operation was a Jewish one is that five Jews climbed up a high building and filmed the first attack of the first planeâŠ"
Another Egyptian professor, Galal Amin of the American University, wrote an article for Al-Ahram in April 2004: "The claim that the Greater Middle East Initiative aims, wholly or partly, to eliminate terror of the type seen on September 11, 2001 is unconvincing, for several reasons. One is that there is still doubt that the September attacks were the outcome of Arab and Islamic terror. No conclusive proof to this effect is yet available. Many writers, American and European, as well as Arab, suspect that the attacks were carried out by Americans, or with American assistance, or that Americans knew about them and kept silent. Such doubts are strong and rest on damning evidence, but the U.S. administration forcefully censors them and bans any discussion of the matter — something that, by the way, makes one suspect the U.S. administration's commitment to 'knowledge.' But enough of that." Many other examples follow.
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Out of curiosity, were the cockpit voice recorders working on any of the planes when they slammed into the buildings and the ground?
#13
He just can't understand that he can't walk into any house he wants, sit down, take a bear from the fridge and go about insulting the owners of this house.
When those owners ask him to leave he yells censorship.
Try not to obstruct your remaining three brain cells from functioning, Ufotroll
#17
This is truly shocking news. So all these dancing celebrating Arabs in the streets of Gaza, Cairo and Teheran were applauding the "heroic deeds" of American Jews?
#19
reading the sink trap...I get the feeling this is some wanna be Nazi I new in Switzerland. His name was Boris and he loved Nazi stuff.
After everything Europe has done and after hundreds of years of killing them.
The Joooooo's are stronger than ever!!
God's chosen people are so much better than the Euro trash that try's everyday to undermind them.
The Joooooo will always have me on their side and my wrath pointed at their enemy.
I wonder who the joooooo's would prefer to Nuke first.
France and the French part of Switzerland or the Palo's? Personally I would like to see the Gaul's go!!
#20
Almost all paranoid conspiracy theorists (PCTs) favor the Islamofascist enemy in the current world war, not just those who directly address the events of September 11.
The entire enemy case, as believed by left-wing activists, semi-literate Islamic populations, and other media conformists throughout the world, is based on notions that are not substantially different from the Roswell UFO case, the fake Moon landing claim, or the "chemtrail" hysteria.
In fact, the historical progenitors of PCTs, such as the forgers who created the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, were almost all antisemitic and anti-Zionist conspiracy claimants. It is not going too far to claim that antisemites in fact invented PCTs.
These claims have much in common with Islam itself, the reliance on the personal authority of the claimant, the appeal to general belief, and the distortion of burden of proof and the reliance on emotion.
Before I got so involved with the WoT, I was, like Daniel Pipes, primarily a debunker and skeptic of extraordinary claims, such as Holocaust denial, gigantic cover-ups, supernatural powers and the like.
It is not coincidence that Daniel and I have both taken such a strong stand on the WoT. To me, the war with the Islamofascists is part of a larger struggle between reason and unreason, the forces of the Enlightenment on one side and those of dark age barbarism on the other. The establishment media, ironically a product of science and therefore of reason, are solidly on the side of unreason. This is for no better reason that that the routine application of logic and critical thinking would render their primary source of income, commercial advertising, ineffective.
For 2000 years, apocalyptic rabble-rousers and self-appointed prophets have predicted a final, decisive showdown between good and evil, a Battle of Armageddon. For once they were right, we are in the midst of it right now.
#22
Islam has devolved into a fraud. Crush and dismantle as soon as possible.
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LHR, thank you. With friends like you and so many here, 'tis our enemies should be fearful. I was fortunate not to meet Boris and his friends when I lived over there -- about which I am not complaining!
Atomic Conspiracy, I always learn something new when you post. As it is said, common sense isn't common, and logical thinking is too hard for too many.
Boris, the stupid man discovers antisemitism and thinks it is philosophy; then he struts about proclaiming his status as an intellectual, to the annoyance of his mental superiors.
#24
Islamic intellectuals is an oxymoron. Intellectual activity for these folks ended about 1492 when they were expelled from Spain and all hope of restarting it ended at the gates of Vienna. The only original Islamic concept in the last 700 years is the suicide bomber.
#25
These Muslim have taken too much of something or are just moronic fools thinking someone out there will buy this rubbish besides the jihadic faithful.
After the Russian school slaughter the Islamofascist enemy must be treated like SS death camp guards, and all of us know what happened to them.
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The link displays the Wahhabi and radical Shi'ite Muslim dream.
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Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy Message Board* has been waging a private war against the Moon Hoax idiots (among other conspiracist charlatans) ever since 2001, when Fox Entertainment broadcast its moronic quackfest, Conspiracy Theory: Did We go to the Moon?**
There is an interesting discussion going on there right now about conspiracism as a religion. The BA does not allow political discussion but I made the connection between conspiracism and religious fascism as an actual cause of the present war in this entry (as "Ad Hominid")
* "HBs"= "(Moon) hoax believers," a sub-species of media vermin.
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The LTTE were using suicide bombers regularly and effectively for years before the Allahf*ckers got onto it. So they hardly even 'perfected' that concept. Using hijacked airliners as missles was new in practice, but not something that hadn't been previously envisaged by others elsewhere. Like Beslan: a simple idea if you're inclined towards murdering other people, but that seems astonishing to the rest of us.
The Kamikaze were soldiers fighting against soldiers (yes, yes, pilots vs. Navy ships, but the point still holds).
The suicide bombers are terrorists against civilians, the younger and more innocent, the better. There were suicide bombers amongst the hostage takers in the Breslan school.
[Jews are inferior to muslims, yet] . . . attributed to bin Laden although it has not been proven that he was involved in the operation? It is way above his capabilities
. . . the September attacks were the outcome of Arab and Islamic terror. No conclusive proof to this effect is yet available. [and with that same proof, it is clear that Jews did it]
[and with only an internet rumour as evidence,] . . . 4,000 Jews of American origin who worked at the World Trade Center received instructions from the Mossad not to go to work that day
(this is some organization those Jews have!!!!)
what a morally and intellectually bankrupt culture is the Religion of HateBlameDenialSheep Peaceâ¢.
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the Mossad, of course. The serb bitch was sure active last nite, huh? Not a full moon, so...
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Anonymous6370,
Yes, to western minds, it is odd how the Islamic world can believe that
- the US deserved to be hit on 9-11
- it was the will of Allah
- this is why we praise bin Laden
- It was the fault of the Jews
- It was the CIA
all at the same time.
It's like multiple personality disorder at a cultural level.
#38
When I was a kid, I though oxymoron was someone that was deprived of oxygen during the birthing process and became mentally retarded.
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Sorry Boris--deleted posts don't get get you credit from Iranian intelligence. But thanks for reminding us that there is no difference between your gullible, childlike views and theirs. Don't get too comfortable cashing their checks, since they'll all be dead soon.
#40
I don't think anyone answered B-A-R's question (#1), but IIRC the 9/11 commission report included transcripts of the cockpit recorders from the plane that went down in PA. There apparently were shouts of allan is great.
#41
Yes, and let's not forget all of the families' of passengers getting cell phone calls (heck, even the Sprint operators were interviewed telling their story of connecting calls to families). Those Jooooos, man, now they're smart. Had all the passengers' names, cell phone #s (which, I assumed they cloned from Jerusalem), and families' home #s. And, to top it all off...the Joos called these families, impersonated their loved ones and did it w/o the families even guessing it was a hoax call. Now THAT'S a conspiracy!
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Mucki reminded us that Boris is of the belief that he is constantly followed by Mossad aircraft.
#46
boris ima find somebody who in can be you buddy. him name is mr.nobody from mrr janeane garafolo blog. (you are visit there once). you and him are can talk bout how jews are carry out 911 and bout em 16 foot hole in pentagon. i think you 2 in get along fine.
#48
Nothing like reading Egyptian intellectual/professor comments for lunch. My experience there taught me that half of them are false Ph.d's; they typically photocopy the hell out of books and articles, then basically summarize the thread of the books and articles. A real thesis? No. Then the review committee is peopled with cronies/friends/etc. The other half do legit research and try to be a bit original. But when it comes to the topic of Sept. 11/Israel/Jews/Muslim behavior/Islomofascism behavior/US or any other ancilliary topic, then the enemy of my enemy is my friend comes to the fore. With the type of vehemence that only they can display. Logic goes out the window. But they'll drown you with hospitality while discussing these topics. Truly bi-polar.
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I know the secret, I know why these people are such flagrant morons. See, all these other countries still use lead base paint. The morons like to eat paint chips and lick the walls, so they're suffering from lead poisoning. Or it might be Zionist Microwave Death Rays from the communication satellites.
#55
OK, I made my point about the censorship on this board and added one more piece of evidence of who is spilling American blood by obstructing the truth.
Says similar operation would be justified in UK
A UK-based Islamic extremist movement said that last week's abduction of Russian children by Chechen terrorists should be repeated in Britain. Al-Muhajiroun spiritual leader Omar Bakri hailed last week's attack on a school in southern Russia in which close to 400 people, including many children, were killed, and said that holding women and children hostages would be reasonable for a Muslim who has suffered under British rule.
Surprise meter reading: Nil.
Exasperation meter reading: Off the charts.
Bakri told The Sunday Telegraph, "If an Iraqi Muslim carried out an attack like that in Britain, it would be justified because Britain has carried out acts of terrorism in Iraq. ... As long as the Iraqi did not deliberately kill women and children, and they were killed in the crossfire, that would be OK."
My B.S. meter is also pegging. Aren't these sorts of interviews usually given to Arabic- or Urdu-language publications? Or in a Friday sermon? I don't think the Telegraph's readership would be very agreeable to these statements.
#1
Excuse my language, but FUCK THIS ASSHOLE. Normally I can't abide the skinhead element in society but this is a perfect use for them. Explain to them just what this jagoff wants and let 'em loose
#3
This creep should be locked up within the next 24 hours sending an example to all those pro-jihadists lurking in the U.K. & U.S.
As the filth in Al-Muhajiroun has stated "The Choice is in Your Hands: Either Youâre with the Muslims or with the Infidels," It's high time the 'infidels' woke up since these savages have clearly set the rules for their future evil deeds in saying "We reject the U.N., reject America, reject all law and order."
The Russian school children bloodbath was the 2nd 9-11.
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As a matter of fact, no, TGA. He can be tried and hanged under the Streicher precedent in international law. Only the depraved revisionist influence of the media, and their obviously biased definitions of free speech, keep this from happening.
#9
We get rid of Hook and up steps another - he's been around for a while this one and he's been arrested. He lives in Edmonton, North London but I suspect he won't be listed in the telephone directory.
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I gave this guy as a prime example of what Russia can do. I would hazard to guess that Russia could borrow him for a few days, and then bits and pieces of him could be found ALL OVER some abandoned building, maybe each one dipped in bacon grease and with a little note with the name of a dead child written on it. You know, something subtle.
#14
Actually he is one of the useful idiots channel 4 and Jon Snow employ in order to get out their pro-Paleostinian and anti-American slant. He is all Asshat and no Jihad.
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each one dipped in bacon grease and with a little note with the name of a dead child written on it. You know, something subtle.
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Your comments are totally disgusting, small minded and beneath contempt!
#16
JiB - You are indeed a connoisseur of British TV news. Channel 4's Jon "Pearly White" Snow & the Affirmative Action Ethnic Cru often manage to make the BBC look credible.
#17
What angers me more than what he said is knowing nothing will be done about it because we don't want to offend him.
If we are not willing to take appropriate actions to deadly threats, we cannot blame anybody but ourselves.
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#3 Mark: "The Russian school children bloodbath was the 2nd 9-11."
I humbly disagree. This was Russia's 9/11! We've had (since 9/11) the shooting at El-Al counter at LAX, Bali nightclub bombing, multiple Soddy bombings, Spain bombing of train, Phillipines bombings, multiple beheadings (online, courtesy of ME's "free speech"), and numerous "martyr" bombings in Israel! But, wait, we can't say they were all committed by the RoP(TM), now can we? My guess is, is that France (already have kidnap victims) and Germany are next! I hope the Russkies commit the acts outlined in #13 in response to this (they'll be able to "get away" with it, whereas the US can't...at least in the press).
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IS ANY WESTERN COUNTRY EVER GOING TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT ELIMINATING THESE COCKROACHES?
A week ago, U.S. Congressman Solomon Ortiz (D-TX) announced Salvadoran gangs members are in the Valley possibly to help Al-Qaeda members cross into our country. He says Brazil is now becoming a country of interest for the United States. Former Middle Eastern policy planner Edward Moore explains Al-Qaeda is not just a Middle Eastern problem, their members are recruiting anyone who will help them. Moore says, "They're sending out their political operations to try to encourage these people not necessarily to join in their Islamic radicalism, but to join in their efforts to destabilize the United States." Both Ortiz and Moore say thousands of Brazilians are crossing our border illegally. Terrorists are recruiting Brazilians because they can fly into Mexico with no problem because of a Visa Waiver policy.
C'mon, State! You've got to fix this visa thing!
Action 4 News recently learned El Adnan Shukrijumah, an Al-Qaeda cell leader, had requested the assistance of a gang called Mara Salvatrucha in El Salvador. There's evidence the Maras are present in Matamoros and here in the Valley.
Lots of Mara Salvatrucha in DC now too.
"Whether it be people that are poor or unhappy with their state, who want to take action against it, Muslim or not, Al Queda now believes they can entice them into taking action by providing them money, by providing them technical assistance and providing them weapons and a false sense of importance support." A local gang investigator says Maras are extremely dangerous. He says if they are involved with Al-Qaeda, it's most likely money motivated.
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"Terrorists are recruiting Brazilians because they can fly into Mexico with no problem because of a Visa Waiver policy.C'mon, State! You've got to fix this visa thing!"
I think the Visa Waiver they are talking about is between Mexico and Brazil. I'm not sure why there would be special worry about the Brazilians - my understanding (limited at best) is that Mexico is being overrun by Honduran Hard Guys. It would be harder for Brazilians to infiltrate our society as I thn that fewer DMV employees speak Portugese.
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I have often thought there is a lot of resemblance between the phenomenon of gangs and Islamic terrorism. The fact that we have not been able to eliminate gangs has always bothered me. At least part of the problem seems to be the same thing that is hampering counter-terrorism efforts, namely our judicial and law enforcement system. As long as gangs are not a threat to national security, we seem to be content to let traditional law enforcement handle them. If they are indeed allied with terrorists, gangs should now be treated as terrorist organizations too. Faster please.
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The race is over - we already have nukes. Kim is engaged in a timetrial... of stupidity. Even if he tests a nuclear bomb tomorrow and demands ransom wouldn't it be feasible to follow Reagan's lead and station short range nukes on the Southern side of the DMZ. Kim is losing ground technologically. The testing of the missile shield goes on and will certianly be installed in South Korea if Kim continues. Hopefully, the new laser that can shoot down a mortar round will eventually provide protection from artillery for Seoul as well.
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SH,
You might also want to add that a certain other commie country tried to outspend us in an arms race. Didn't work out so well for them.
Kim, I've met Nikki Khruschev. You are no Khruschev.
By Paul Tait
Australia will not be intimidated by a powerful car bomb that killed at least eight people outside its Jakarta embassy, Prime Minister John Howard says.
"Savages don't 'intimidate' us, anymore than snakes 'intimidate' us..."
The blast on Thursday came as Howard, a close U.S. ally, campaigned for an October 9 election and just two days before the third anniversary of the September 11 hijacked aircraft attacks on the United States. "This is not a nation that is going to be intimidated by acts of terrorism," Howard told reporters in Melbourne.
"Australians will never be intimidated! And if we were going to be intimidated, it wouldn't be by Indonesia's dregs!"
Opposition Labor leader Mark Latham described the bombing as "evil and barbaric". Howard and Latham have clashed over Australia's role in Iraq, with Latham saying Australian involvement puts it at greater risk of terror attacks.
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Been talkin' to Zapatero, eh?
The Australian election does look spookily similar to Spain's. Only this time the opposition left know what the jihadis would like to do, and that it might well work to their advantage (after all, they're trailing in the polls, so what would they have to lose?). Wonder how long it'll be before there's actual collusion somewhere in the world between an 'anti-war'/pro-appeasement/pro-jihad opposition (or rogue elements of that opposition, or domestic opposition sympathisers) and foreign terrorists?
Wonder how long it'll be before there's actual collusion somewhere in the world between an 'anti-war'/pro-appeasement/pro-jihad opposition (or rogue elements of that opposition, or domestic opposition sympathisers) and foreign terrorists?
Not long. Here's the "No Logo" anti-global girl Naomi Klein arguing for just that, in the most prominent leftist publication in the US, no less: "It's time to bring Najaf to New York."
http://thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040913&s=klein
#7
There is one reason that I can accept for withdrawing troops from Iraq or Afghanistan during the WOT: that a new place has been discoverd where the troops can kill a greater number of terrorists.
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...Supposedly the Islamic terrorist group, Jamaat al-Tawhid al-Islamiyya, via a message posted on a website, threatened to attack the Netherlands and Italy if the countries' troops were not withdrawn from Iraq. Spokesman for the Ministry of Justice, Ivo Hommes, explains that in light of the attacks in Madrid and in the US, the possibility of an attack on the Netherlands cannot be discounted. "The Netherlands can be just as much a target as other countries in the world".
You noticed that, did you? Brilliant.
Hommes says the situation poses a dilemma. "The government tries to be as open to the public without arousing fear. It's important that the government makes clear to the public that it is doing everything possible to fight terrorism".
Same dilemma all open societies face...
Besides informing the press, another instrument is the new threat advisory, a system of codes that will be used to warn the public as of next year. The government wants to use this advisory to alert selective business sectors to up their security and to keep citizens informed. For instance, the system could warn about suspicious packages in a train station or about the fact that a scheduled event will not take place. But Bakker is afraid that the system could assist in fostering fear, thereby creating a device terrorists can manipulate. He thinks that the Dutch threat advisory system should be linked to clear measures to be taken in times of emergency. For example if the colour is orange, the fire department should get out its emergency plans. "Terrorism is a hazy, unclear business. The colours should always be yellow, and the colour red means that you are too late," Bakker says.
Same problem we've run into here. Nobody takes the system quite seriously...
#1
The current Dutch government seems to be more pro-US war policy than some EU govts, e.g. troops in Iraq. This is in spite of the fact that most Dutch seem to be anti-war and anti-Bush. I'm just judging from anecdote. What is the current state of politics in Holland Dutchgeek?
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In The Netherlands there is a big political vacuum in which nobody realy dares to step into after the murder on Pim Fortuyn. ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1971462.stm ) The vacuum will be filled as time proceeds and than we will see a strong move towards more nationalism. In the large cities the Dutch feel the heat of the islamic demographic revolution ( http://www.cbs.nl/en/publications/articles/webmagazine/2003/1298k.htm ) and the frustration levels are high as currennt politics are seeing every negative word on islam as racism.....
Europe's "terrorist attacks result in no casualties" my hairy @ss. I think Bakker has been spending too much time in those Amsterdam "coffee houses." Europe has done almost as much as the Middle East to breed up terrorism. I would say they've gotten off rather lightly.
#1
"Since his return the 25-year-old has faced the wrath of many Swedes. Although he was born in Sweden and carries the country's passport, Mehdi is not considered a real Swede in some quarters because he has an Algerian father and a Finnish mother."
This is happening in everyone-is-equal Sweden? Maybe the Swedes are starting to understand that it's become a matter of survival, and that some are more equal than others.
#2
Gosta Hulten argued "that the U.S., by releasing Mehdi, had indirectly agreed that he was innocent." Not so fast Gosta! We let him go because there was not enough evidence to convict him, not the same as innocent.
#3
wah, wah, So typical. He goes off to kill infidels but manages to find outrage when the infidels he signed up to kill don't want him around.
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The local press, convinced that Mehdi was not a victim but a radical young Muslim tried to poke holes in his Afghan story. While it could not present any incriminating evidence of Mehdi's activities in Afghanistan, it managed to reveal that he was detained briefly and released in Portugal on criminal charges which were subsequently dropped. It also reported that he had studied at Islamic schools in England and Pakistan. As a result many Swedes, including some political parties, clamored for the government to explain why it spent 500,000 Swedish kronor -- about $50,000 dollars -- to transport the former detainee home.
Sweden paid $50,000 to fly this little snot-gobbler back home? Someone's asleep at the wheel. They should have shipped him back to his real homeland in Afghanistan or Pakistan. If he loves those countries so much, maybe that's where he should stay.
A longtime captive at the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, will be sent home to his native country after a military tribunal there determined that he is not an enemy combatant, Navy Secretary Gordon R. England announced yesterday. The decision ends nearly three years of incarceration for the man, who was picked up on the battlefields of Afghanistan.
England declined to provide details of the detainee's case, including his name and nationality, referring to an agreement with foreign countries not to release such information until a transfer home is completed. Pentagon officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the detainee, who is not an Afghan national, was captured in January 2002 and held in a detention facility in Afghanistan for a few months before he was transferred to Cuba, where he has been incarcerated ever since.
Human rights advocates sharply criticized the government for the length of the detainee's incarceration. "It should not take more than two years for the U.S. military to determine that we were holding someone who is apparently not an enemy combatant," American Civil Liberties Union executive director Anthony Romero said in a statement yesterday. "While this announcement is welcome, hundreds of so-called enemy combatants still languish in legal limbo at Guantanamo Bay. The government's assertion that it is entitled to lock people up indefinitely without any access to the courts violates our most basic notions of fundamental fairness."
Allowing terrorists to kill innocents also is fundamentally unfair.
It's all so unfair. Let's just give the guy a ticker-tape parade and a new Amana refrigerator already.
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Another demonstration of how military tribunals are not Kangaroo courts.
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I keep thinking about the prison uprising in Mazar-e-Sharrif that killed Spahn. Our humanity held us back. We should have levelled the place and eliminated these vermin. They WILL come back to harm us. They are just wired that way. I hope that these lessons are applied to future rat's nests. I would like to see this done in Fallujah. There is NO rehabilitation with these guys.
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Pentagon officials have worried that releasing detainees without thorough review could prove deadly to U.S. forces in the future, noting that former detainees have been seen back in combat.
If we knew how many had been seen again, and what their initial affiliation was, we might be able to use that to help estimate the total trained fighter pool size. There'd be some sampling bias in the estimate, since former detainees will have to show their good faith by volunteering to be "on the front lines" again. OldSpook?
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Why are we "detaining" these people? If they are found on a battlefield, and have been observed to be firing at U.S. forces, kill them.
Indonesia's police chief, Da'i Bachtiar, said two fugitive Malaysian bomb makers of the Jemaah Islamiyah terror group, wanted over the Bali blasts and a deadly attack last year on Jakarta's Marriott hotel, had been recruiting.
Bachtiar said that the blast bore the hallmarks of Azahari Husin, who is being hunted with compatriot Noordin Mohammad Top.
He added that early analysis from the blast site pointed to involvement of Jemaah Islamiyah remnants.
"They have done new recruitments in the framework of launching new attacks," Bachtiar told reporters.
He said intelligence from arrests made on the central island of Java indicated preparations for further attacks.
Security analysts have repeatedly warned that despite a string of convictions against Jemaah Islamiyah members, Islamic militants remain a potent force in Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim-populated nation.
"According to an analysis by a police unit tasked with tracing remnants of the Bali and Marriott bombings, there was information from groups arrested in Central and East Java which indicates that they will carry out more attacks," Bachtiar said.
"We are orientating the investigation towards the remaining perpetrators of the August 2003 Marriott bombing and the Bali bombings who have not yet been arrested."
Bachtiar added that while forensic examinations from the bomb site indicated similarities between the embassy attack and earlier bomb strikes, there were marked physical differences.
"There are TNT elements and high explosives such as in the previous bombs," he said.
"From information obtained, there was no big fire, it is different from the Marriott bomb," he said.
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THE car bomb attack bore all the hallmarks of Malaysian terror suspect Azahari Husin, the senior member of an al-Qaida-linked group. Azahari, a professor who spent time studying at university in Adelaide, has eluded police since other Bali bombing suspects named him as the man who supervised the making of the car bomb that exploded outside the Sari Club in Kuta two years ago. Police also believe he was responsible for the August 2003 bombing of the Marriott hotel in Jakarta.
A long-time operative of terror group Jemaah Islamiah, Azahari, a geophysics professor, penned the 50-page JI bomb manual, which, complete with diagrams, showed how to use mobile telephones as detonators for bombs. In Malaysia, newspapers call him "Demolition Man", such is his deadly proficiency in bomb manufacture. Azahari is believed to be protected by a small circle of Jemaah Islamiah members.
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J Cofer Black, US State Department Coordinator for Counter-terrorism, says that the LTTE has trained other terrorist groups in the world and is in the "exalted" company of the Al-Qaeda. "I am disturbed at the LTTE's history as a terrorist organisation. It has been a purveyor of training, knowledge and equipment to a spectrum of terrorist groups, and we currently see many of these groups being mutually supporting," Black told a select media round table in Colombo on Wednesday. "The LTTE has been a disseminator of knowledge on how to conduct terrorist organisations, and has equipped other terrorist groups, which in, and of itself, is sufficient cause for alarm and concern. It is no small thing that the US has put the LTTE on its list of terrorist organisations. They (the LTTE) are in the exalted company of the Al-Qaeda organisation and the rest of the groups."
Black, who is also an Ambassador-at-Large for the United States, went on to say that the "community of nations should attempt to constrain its (LTTE's) activities and do everything it can to bring it to the negotiating table." Asked how the US was helping the Sri Lankan Government meet the challenge of the LTTE, he said: "We do have programs to support the Government so that it could be in a position to negotiate effectively. We provide the type of support that puts it in a good position to negotiate."
What the US counter-terror official is saying is that his country is helping the Sri Lankan Government talk to the LTTE from a position of military and political strength. US policy was that the LTTE must negotiate in "good faith", that is, by "renouncing terrorism in word and deed," Black said. The counter-terror official hinted that while the object of US-Lanka cooperation in regard to the LTTE was peace and not war, there might be a revision of the programme if the times were to change. "The object is peace. The object is not war. And we think we have a good programme in place with the Government for these times. Were the times to change, the United States would have to reconsider the type of support it gives," Ambassador Black he said.
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VIENNA (Reuters) - Iran is using negotiations with the European Union's "big three" on suspending sensitive nuclear activities to buy the time it needs to get ready to make atomic weapons, an Iranian exile and intelligence officials said.
With intelligence sources saying Iran could be months away from nuclear weapons capability, the United States wants Iran reported to the U.N. Security Council immediately, charging Tehran uses its civilian atomic energy program as a front to develop the bomb. Tehran vehemently denies the charge.
France, Britain and Germany want to avoid isolating Iran and have taken a go-slow approach, negotiating with Iran to suspend uranium enrichment activities.
"Iran continues to use existing differences between the U.S. and Europe to their advantage and tries to drag out talks with the EU to buy time," Alireza Jafarzadeh, an Iranian exile who has reported accurately on Iran's nuclear program in the past, told Reuters.
"They feel they have bought at least 10 months," Jafarzadeh said. He said he was citing sources in Iran familiar with the results of a recent high-level meeting on Iran's nuclear program attended by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
Jafarzadeh said officials at the meeting also decided to allocate an additional $2 billion from Iran's central bank reserves to supplement some $14 billion already spent on what he called Iran's "secret nuclear weapons program."
The EU trio has expressed disappointment at Iran's failure to keep promises it made in October to suspend all activities related to the enrichment of uranium, a process of purifying it for use as fuel for atomic power plants or in weapons. But the three remain committed to a process of engagement with Tehran.
However an intelligence official said a failure to act now as Washington would like, could be decisive for the development of an Iranian nuclear weapons capability.
"The Europeans express helplessness, despair and lack of strategy, which is exactly what (the Iranians) want to hear," a senior non-U.S. intelligence official said.
"This is their golden opportunity, between now and the coming of a new (U.S.) administration."
"PLAYING FOR TIME"
The U.N. International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has been investigating Iran's nuclear program ever since Jafarzadeh announced in August 2002 on behalf of the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), an exiled opposition group, that Iran was hiding several massive nuclear sites from the IAEA.
Although the EU trio are reaching the point where they too might support a referral of Iran's nuclear program to the Security Council, which could impose economic sanctions, diplomats in Vienna say they will give Iran one more chance to end its enrichment activities before the November IAEA meeting.
On Tuesday, diplomats said Iran had agreed with the Europeans in principle to renew its suspension of centrifuge production, assembly and testing. But U.S. and other officials dismissed this as a ploy to escape a Security Council referral.
"Iran is playing for time," a Western diplomat told Reuters.
The IAEA Board of Governors meets next week to discuss Iran's nuclear program, parts of which it hid from the U.N. nuclear watchdog for nearly two decades. Vienna diplomats say the EU three oppose a U.N. Security Council report next week.
Diplomats and intelligence officials say this may give Iran just enough time to reach the point where it has all the technology and expertise it needs to develop an atom bomb at a time of its choosing.
"It is a matter of several months, up to a year, most probably less than a year (for nuclear capability)," the intelligence official said. "By that time we think they will have enough feed material for the centrifuges so they won't be dependent on foreign input."
Iran recently announced it would convert 37 tons of raw "yellowcake" uranium into uranium hexafluoride, the feed material for centrifuges. Experts say this is enough for a bomb.
The official said the IAEA was making a mistake by being so cautious about what the agency has called a lack of any evidence proving Tehran has a covert military atomic program.
"If the IAEA would wait forever to see a smoking gun ... it will be too late," the official said.
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I can state categorically that the IAEA WILL NOT get a smoking gun. They will get a smoking hole, and it may be in their back yard. This is madness, just like appeasement before WW2. Actually it is bloody frightening. Yeah, let's put on sanctions. First we have to THREATEN sanctions before we put on sanctions. Then the Black Turbans will go around the sanctions, like Sammy did, only they will have nukes where Sammy didn't.
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Let them get the bomb. Let them announce that they have the bomb. I think we have the collective will to take the bomb away from tehm once they have it.
In the meantime push through a bunch of automatic actions through the Security Council that will result in their admition that they have the bomb, IAEA proof that they have the bomb(the IAEA needs to be cleaned out immediately BTW,)or a test of an atomic weapon by Iran. Withdrawal from the NPT should be made to be signing a suicide note for a regime.
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Threaten American withdrawal from the UN if the IAEA and Security Council proves ineefective in preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.
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Iran is seeking volunteers to act as a massive human shield around Iran's nuclear reactor in case of a military attack against the facility. About two weeks ago Iran announced its plans build more nuclear power plants with Russian help the in southern port city of Bushehr, ignoring US and Israeli concerns that by-products from the plants could be used to manufacture atomic bombs. The US and Israel strongly suspect Iran of seeking nuclear weapons, but Iran has consistently denied the charges. The Committee for the Commemoration of Martyrs of the Global Islamic Campaign is organizing the human shield campaign to protect Bushehr reactor, the Sydney Morning Herald reported Wednesday. According to a spokesman for the group, 25,000 people have already signed up to participate in the shield campaign, Army Radio reported.
Iranian President Mohammad Khatami continues to insist that Iran's nuclear program is geared only toward the production of electricity. Iran's Nuclear Energy Council has decided the country needs to produce 7,000 megawatts of electricity through nuclear power plants by 2021 to meet Iran's increasing electricity demands. Khatami issued a "guarantee" not to seek atomic weapons, and warned Washington that it can't stabilize Iraq and Afghanistan without Teheran's help.
Iran began assembly of an "army of martyrs" in June, recruited by The Committee for the Commemoration of Martyrs of the Global Islamic Campaign. In the first week of its June campaign, officials of the group said 10,000 young volunteers registered for "martyrdom operations" against Israel and US forces in Iraq. Iran has also issued threats in the past, including one in the past month, that it would destroy Israel's Dimona nuclear reactor if the Jewish state were to attack Iran's nuclear facilities. "If Israel fires a missile into the Bushehr nuclear power plant, it has to say goodbye forever to its Dimona nuclear facility, where it produces and stockpiles nuclear weapons," said the deputy chief of the elite Revolutionary Guards, Brig.-Gen. Muhammad Baqer Zolqadr, in a statement a month ago.
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Soon it shall be Iranian mullah removal time, which has always been the long term geostrategic objective for the greater Gulf region.
Afghanistan was first, then Iraq and in the near future Iran shall be removed from the original promoters of the modern jihadic global movement.
Or maybe we should wait until the Left makes additional deals with the masters of death ........not!
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If the Iranians believe that the Vincennes plugged their Airbus on purpose, why would they think that human shields would prevent us from obliterating their nuke program?
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THe Iranians miss one thing:
If the Israelis go for that reactor, they will also be going for every single missile storage and launch facility Iran has. Iran will not get a chance to launch much of anything - and thier stuff will land in the neighborhodd, but not close enough for an HE warhead to take out the Dimona facility. And Chemicals will only shut it for a little while.
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...The funny thing is that with a couple of Mk84 JDAMS delivered by B-2, the human shields could very well only see two holes open up in the containment dome and a deep rumble...and they'll all be sitting there wondering what the hell just happened.
Mike
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Voluntary human shields are combatants, anyways. It's more moral to cap these types than, say, night-staff janitors at a targetted facility.
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At the end of the day, the only credible policy response to the presence of 'human shields' is to ignore them. Same a hostages. Allowing them to be used effectively against you only encourages the practice. But try explaining that to some folks...
The British government yesterday set a November ultimatum for Iran to suspend all activities linked to production of a nuclear bomb - a deadline that effectively marks the failure of more than a year of negotiations between Tehran and the European troika of Britain, France and Germany. Refusal by Iran to comply would produce a new Middle East crisis in which the issue would almost certainly be referred to the United Nations security council, which could opt for punitive action. Although the deadline is designed to pile pressure on Iran, the early signs from Tehran are that the theocratic regime is unwilling to comply unconditionally and that it is seeking major concessions from the west in return, including a trade agreement and transfer of civil nuclear technology.
A British official said yesterday that Iran must comply by the November board meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), the UN watchdog body. "Iran needs to meet its commitments. We would like it to meet its commitments before then, but if it doesn't, Iran needs to know and it needs to know now, that there is going to be a decision point in November and at that point a very serious option ... is referral to the United Nations security council," he said. "We cannot have any kind of negotiation that goes on forever. At some point you have got to decide whether negotiating further makes sense, or whether you need to do something else."
The new position was agreed by British, French and German foreign ministers at a meeting in the Netherlands at the weekend. The German chancellor, Gerhard Schröder, yesterday warned that Iran's nuclear activities were "extremely alarming" and the German foreign minister, Joschka Fischer, described the prospect of a nuclear arms race in the Middle East as the "nightmare scenario".
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Yes, yes, that should be "Iran."
It's been a long night.
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lrt us all pray that this is actually a proper deadline and not some micky mouse EU deadline,were running outa time hour by hour. Israil,America and Russia need to act now - fuck france too.
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Have we not been down the same U.N. deadline ...deadend road before?
Let the U.N. play his cards and then what should have been done years ago, will be.
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Honestly, I think that Russia is so cash-strapped for hard currency, they would provide "civilian" nuclear technology and help construct a reactor in the Pankisi Gorge, if the checks didn't bounce.
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I think Pankisi Gorge is a very good place for an application of Russian nuclear technology.
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Agree with Shep, what are the consequences for failure to comply with the deadline? Sanctions? Not good enough. Also agree with AC, Russia needs to make a big retaliatory move in response to Beslan.
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November, eh? Heh.
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Pankisi Gorge has a new mosque, a "friendship" house for visiting Wahhabis and a Wal-Martâ¦what better time for a nuc strike!
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Refusal by Iran to comply would produce a new Middle East crisis in which the issue would almost certainly be referred to the United Nations security council, which could opt for punitive action.
Not much time for sanctions, '05 has been for a while the line-in-the-sand past which many believe Iran will have become a nuclear power. Once that happens the world's options become severely limited (witness North Korea) and everyone in the game knows it.
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Zhang, by a replay of Iraq, I meant that we will go to the UN to authorize action. The French will get supine for bribes from Iran. We will determine we can't wait any longer and we will act iwthout UN approval. I suspect we will send no troops into Iran but our inventory of soon to be obsolescent cruise missles and JDAMs will be severly depleted without the Navy or Air Force having to prepare Environmental Impact Statements and Iran will be out a lot of nuclear facilities.
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Iran's campaign to develop nuclear fuel starts deep under this barren patch of desert, in a mine that engineers expect to start yielding uranium ore in less than two years.
hmm...only takes one ICBM to stop that project cold.
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They add they see no reason why some of mankind's most advanced technology should be off limits to their scientists.
Oh no, no reason at all. No reason why some of mankind's most advanced weapons technology should be off limits to scientists whose avowed aim is the destruction of Israel.
The mine employs more than 220 people, who were clad in black uniforms, yellow boots and helmets equipped with lamps. All are Iranian, but that was not always the case. Chinese experts worked at Saghand as recently as 2002, Soleimani said.
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I suppose it would be impolite to suggest this as a site for resuming US underground nuclear testing. Some of the penetrator shapes developed at Eglin could get down to the proper depth.
LONDON (Reuters) - A powerful car bomb has exploded outside the Australian embassy in central Jakarta, killing at least eight people and injuring more than 100.
Here are some of the worst bomb attacks around the world since the September 11, 2001 hijacked plane attacks in the United States.
The List:
2002:
March 27 - Suicide bomber blows himself up in a hotel in the Israeli resort town of Netanya, killing 29 people.
April 11 - Truck explodes near El Ghriba synagogue on Tunisian island of Djerba. Kills 20, including 14 Germans.
May 8 - Suspected suicide bomber kills 11 French navy experts and three Pakistanis in Pakistani city of Karachi.
Oct 12 - Bombs explode in Kuta Beach nightclub strip on Bali, Indonesia, killing 202 people and injuring hundreds.
Nov 28 - At least 15 killed in car bomb attack on hotel frequented by Israeli tourists in Kenyan port of Mombasa.
2003:
Jan 5 - Two explosions rock a bus station and a nearby pedestrian mall in Tel Aviv, killing 23 and wounding over 100.
May 12 - Suicide bombers kill 35 at housing compounds for expatriates in the Saudi capital Riyadh.
May 12 - A suicide truck bomb at a government complex in Znamenskoye in Chechnya kills around 60 people.
May 16 - Suicide bombers set off at least five blasts in Casablanca, Morocco, killing 45 people including 12 bombers.
Aug 1 - Truck bomb explodes at a Russian military hospital in North Ossetia near Chechnya, killing at least 50.
Aug 5 - Bomb kills 10 and wounds 150 at Marriott Hotel in Indonesian capital Jakarta.
Aug 19 - Truck bomb devastates U.N.'s Baghdad HQ, killing 22 people including top U.N. envoy to Iraq.
Aug 19 - A suspected Palestinian suicide bombing rips through a bus in Jewish west Jerusalem killing 23 people.
Aug 25 - Twin car bombs in India's financial capital Bombay kill 52 and injure at least 150.
Aug 29 - Car bomb kills at least 83 Iraqis, including a top Shi'ite Muslim leader outside the Imam Ali mosque in Najaf.
Oct 4 - Palestinian suicide bomber blows herself up in a restaurant in the city of Haifa, killing 23 other people.
Nov 9 - Eighteen people are killed when suicide bombers devastate a housing complex in the Saudi capital Riyadh.
Nov 12 - Suicide car bombers devastate Italian military police base in southern Iraq, killing 18 Italians and 9 Iraqis.
Nov 15 - Two car bombs explode outside synagogues in central Istanbul, killing 30 people.
Nov 20 - Two blasts devastate the HSBC Bank headquarters and British consulate in Istanbul, killing 32 people.
2004:
Feb 1 - 117 people are killed when two suicide bombers blow themselves up in offices of Kurdish factions in northern Iraq.
March 2 - 171 people are killed in twin attacks involving suicide bombers in Baghdad and Kerbala.
March 11 - Bomb attacks blamed on Islamic militants on commuter trains in Madrid kill 191 people and wound hundreds.
But Islam is [[[[[peaceful]]]]] ......and Hurricane Ivan is just delightful warm breeze wafting through an open window..
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I wonder how long the list would be if you listed all of the bomb attacks - not just the worst ones.
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While I was sitting under my apple tree, one of it's more heavier fruits hit me in the head...I wondered what these nations would have done about "CAR" and "TRUCK" bombs in 1472?
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âIt is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims.â Abdel Rahman al-Rashed, General manager, Al- Arabiya, Dubai, Sep 4, 2004.
A Muslim finally got a clue. Question is what are they going to do about it? Gentle?
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Working under the assumption that GW will be elected Nov 2nd, would it not be resonable to posit that a few car bombs or even sniper attacks in front of polling stations in a few key states where electoral college votes might affect the outcome of the election would result in ACLU and Democrat lawyers running due process complaints up to SCOTUS to invalidate the results? Democratic votes denied by the Republican war on terror!
Dead democrats have been able to vote for many years.
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989 Israelis killed, 6,700 injured in nearly 23,000 attacks, attempted attacks or clashes. Officers say coming year will be crucial for Palestinians.
Amir Buhbut
Palis bleat about how there are more palis killed than Israelis. They want you to assume it's because the Israelis are more ruthless. That's not it at all. It's just that the palis aren't as good at it (thank goodness!). If they could kill more, they would.
Almost four years have passed since Ariel Sharon ascended to the Temple Mount and the second intifada erupted. According to IDF data, 989 Israelis were killed during the four-year period, 694 civilians and 295 security personnel.
In addition, over 6,700 Israelis were injured in approximately 23,000 terror attacks, attempted attacks or clashes.
According to IDF intelligence estimates, the coming year would be a critical period for the Palestinian people and the confrontation. "This year will be the year that will shape the Palestinian struggle. The Palestinian leadership will have to decide whether to aim towards a peace agreement with Israel or to continue with the armed resistance", a senior IDF officer noted.
On a related note, he indicated that a palestinian leadership agreement to pursue a peaceful resolution would follow closely behind pigs taking wing
The defense establishment is concerned that the terror organizations would step up their war against Israel. The assassination of Hamas leaders Yassin and Ranstisi have greatly affected the group, causing it to step up its efforts to attack Israel in order to re-establish its status.
Apparently the only way hamas can re-establish status is by killing Jews. How about doing something constructive? Oh. Never mind.
According to the IDF, 2004 was characterized by an increased army effort to clamp down on terror infrastructures and a 50% drop in the number of attacks in addition to 30% lower number of Israeli fatalities in comparison with 2000.
Army officials add that 2004 has also seen the weakening of Yasser Arafat's leadership now there's an oxymoron for ya and the disintegration of the popular struggle. "The Palestinian people are tired and have little energy to take to the streets", a senior officer said.
According to the officer, "The Palestinian people understand that in four years of battle, they achieved nothing. The energy to carry on is mainly provided from abroad, whether be it Syria or the Hezbollah, which offer financial compensation to those who would carry out attacks".
But it won't stop Syria and Iran from using palis as pawns. And it won't stop palis from allowing themselves to be used.
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if the Paleos get better at shooting rockets - they'll get the good stuff back - more "innocent" Paleo deaths caused by their own actions
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The Palestinian leadership will have to decide whether to aim towards a peace agreement with Israel or to continue with the armed resistanceâ, a senior IDF officer noted.
First the Paleos need leadership, then they can decide. They just have goons and gang leaders.
The Paleos are useful idiots for Israel's enemies in sticking the dagger into the soft underbelly of Israel. They play their part well, and go along with the game like good little pawns. Only they will never get to the other side of the chess board.
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How long before UFOOL shows up to tell us the intifada is a Zionist plot?
devoted to memory of victims of acts of terrorism in Russia.
we are different people with different points of view. but we are united with two ideas: we are against terrorism. we mourn.
Secretary of State Colin Powell said Thursday that abuses by government-supported Arab militias in Sudan qualify as genocide against the black African population in the Darfur region — a determination that should pressure the government to rein in the fighters.
Powell told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee the conclusion was based on interviews conducted with refugees from the Darfur violence as well as other evidence. "We concluded that genocide has been committed in Darfur and that the government of Sudan and the Janjaweed (Arab militias) bear responsibility — and genocide may still be occurring," he said.
He added that that as a contracting party to an international genocide convention, Sudan is obliged to prevent and punish acts of genocide. "To us, at this time, it appears that Sudan has failed to do so," he said.
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Powell should be centering his undivided attention to Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan; and leave the small fry to the UN! I could give a hairy rat's a** what goes on in Sudan. Let the United States of Africa mobilize!
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Isn't the UN supposed to be handling this? This is a chance for it to actually do its job, so let it go and see what happens. (not that we don't know what the outcome is likely to be)
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As I have argued here before, this is an overdue move by the Bush Administration. Calling this what it is -- a genocide -- is the right thing to do. He should demand UN action and threaten to take unilateral action if nothing is done. (A thousand Marines could probably end the genocide.) This would: (a) shove it up the @ss of (i) the French, (ii) the Chinese, (iii) the Arab League, (iv) the New York Times, and (v) John Kerry; (b) force the UN's hand (if the UN won't act to stop genocide, what the hell do they stand for?); and (c) embarrass the Clinton Administration, which did not have the stones to declare a genocide in Rwanda. Bush could make the whole thing very political, with a Rose Garden press conference featuring Christians such as Brownback, who have been out front on this issue, as well as CBC members like Charlie Rangel. Bush should do this not only because it's the right thing to do, but also because it is part of the GWoT, and is necessary. As an added bonus, it will allow the military to kill more Islamic terrorists while protecting innocent Islamic people who are black to boot! I say win-win.
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I agree with you, Tibor. We need to force the UN's hand and quick. I myself am Christian and became interested in Sudan about a year ago. Personally, I think as we're going through the ME, the new "homefront" for the jihadis will be North Africa (see: Somalia/Black Hawk Down). While I don't want to lose 1 troop to these local punks (after all, Sudan is NOT a threat to us), and would prefer to let them handle it, we promised (after Rwanda) "never again!" This is a win-win (low # of troops needed; supporting native/black Muslims against their jihadi Arab counterparts, and takes away another "home country" for future jihadi base). Low transaction costs, and great "press" for the US. First, and foremost, though, it's the right thing to do!
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Sudan is a threat, BA .. There are several camps where children are brainwashed and schooled as radical islamist, ready to destroy the West.. This is done with the help of the Sudanese governement..I'd say the US has to act..It would be good for it's credibility in the WoT
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Sudan can, probably is, and has been used as a base for al Q. We cannot let the situation go to hell. We are going to first have to rub the UN's nose into it and do our best to have the members of the UN take responsibility. That failing, we need a plan to clean it up. There are serious humanitarian issues involved, and there are serious WoT implications, too, and we cannot just walk away from it. **sigh** more stuff piled up on the plate.
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Sudan is a distraction till aftere Iran. Nobody in Khartoum is developing a bomb, though they may be helping.
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"Sudan is a distraction till aftere Iran. Nobody in Khartoum is developing a bomb, though they may be helping."
None of the terrorist massacres so far ever needed a nuclear bomb -- not 9/11, not 3/11, not Beslan --, so if nuclear bombs are your one and only concern then Sudan is indeed only a distraction.
But if the problem is Islamofascism and terrorism as a whole, then Sudan is now just third after Iran and Syria in axis-of-Islamofascism power states. And given the genocide it has far greater immediacy.
And it has the great advantage that, unlike Iran and Syria, and definitely unlike Iraq, Sudan can be cleanly broken into three pieces, and you don't even need to occupy the one nasty piece, just stop it from hurting the other two ones. That'd be enough to *truly* render it a distraction -- aka stop it from preventing genocide.
Turn Darfur defacto independent and likewise with South Sudan. Is freeing two nations from the power of Islamofascism meaningless?
nada> Ethnic cleansing and genocide *are* two different meanings. Ethnic cleansing means you are driving a people away. Genocide means you are out to physically destroy it. The Serbs of Krajna for example suffered ethnic cleansing, not genocide. The Armenians, the Jews, the Tutsi on the other hand suffered genocide.
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Aris and Tibor are right on this one. We need to send some troops in there and clean this mess up fast. Make the UN look like the feckless fools that they are. I don't care if it would cement a Bush victory be pulling black votes from Kerry. It is the right thing to do.
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I would take this in steps. There is no reason that the Janjaweeders should be allowed the use of helicopters. Establish a no fly zone for military aircraft using patrols based in Chad.
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remote man wrote: "Aris and Tibor are right on this one."
Uh, can I change my views on this one if it means I don't have to agree with Aris?
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(Rolls eyes)
Tibor, granted that watching Aris fight his hand becomes tiresome after awhile, just because he says something is a good idea it isn't necessarily bad.
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Islamic parties said yesterday they would oppose a government plan to improve Algerian women's rights in marriage and divorce in the Muslim country emerging from more than a decade of civil war.
"Wimmin don't need no damn' rights!"
President Abdelaziz Bouteflika made reforming the 1984 family code a priority after his sweeping re-election in April but now faces pressure from two Islamic parties, one within the coalition government, to call a referendum or kill the bill. "We will mobilize all society to stop this reform," said Abdelmajid Menasra, deputy chairman of the MSP, a member of the government that has called for a national referendum.
"This is Algeria! You try giving wimmin rights, our Islamic street's gonna erupt! An' we'll be the eruption!"
Analysts fear Bouteflika may stall or water down the reform, which would show Islamic parties still carry weight after a long-running militant uprising that claimed the lives of more than 150,000 people, according to human rights groups. The jihad was sparked by the cancellation of elections the now-banned Islamic Salvation Front (FIS) was set to win in 1992. The reform bans men from divorcing their wives for no reason and gives women the right to financial support from their ex-husbands. Men would need their wives' permission to take more wives, up to the four permitted by Islam. The Islamic Shariah law-inspired code would scrap the need for women to ask permission from a male family member to marry. "These amendments are unconstitutional as they go against the constitution, which says Shariah Islamic law is the state religion," said Lakhdar Benkhalef of El-Islah opposition party.
"Next thing you know, they'll be makin' phone calls and chattin', then wearin' stylish clothes. An' after that disco dancin'! We just can't have it!"
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Bouteflika is walking a tightrope as he must satisfy reformists who helped him get re-elected and now complain Morocco and Tunisia have overtaken Algeria on the issue.
even if the fundies are blocking change in Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia are leading the way to a new, reformed Islam.
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Some of our Muslim "brethren" certainly have become defensive and prickly about their status as men. How amusing that a plan that stands for fair treatment of fellow humans is a threat to their manhood. Just what is so threatening?
The reform bans men from divorcing their wives for no reason and gives women the right to financial support from their ex-husbands. Men would need their wivesâ permission to take more wives, up to the four permitted by Islam. The Islamic Shariah law-inspired code would scrap the need for women to ask permission from a male family member to marry.
I see. So-
1. They would be expected to have valid and substantial reasons for divorce.
2. They would be required to share income with women who are discouraged by their society from working and are "marked" after divorce for ostracization and societal shame.
3. They would be required to give their wives a voice on whether additional sexual partners sharing the home is a tolerable situation.
4. Women would be able to decide who they love for themselves.
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Ooo, Scary.
Islamists are terrified. This goes to the heart of the conflict between Islam and modernization. Are women (and their sexual favors) property or human beings with free will?
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Simple, ed: they're as free as we let them to be.
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LH-When it comes to sharia, you'll be hard pressed to differentiate them. What I would like to know, LH, is why you never stand up in defence of women against the abuses of Islam. Over time, in several of your threads on this site, I've remarked a careful avoidance on your part on admitting that women are not treated well in Islam.
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LH, You sure about that? Or are the modernizers in Morocco and Tunisia ignoring the Quran?
Quran chapter 33:
1 O Prophet! Keep thy duty to Allah and obey not the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.
30 O ye wives of the Prophet! Whosoever of you committeth manifest lewdness, the punishment for her will be doubled, and that is easy for Allah.
32 O ye wives of the Prophet! Ye are not like any other women. If ye keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft of speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease aspire (to you), but utter customary speech. And stay in your houses.
36 And it becometh not a believing man or a believing woman, when Allah and His messenger have decided an affair (for them), that they should (after that) claim any say in their affair; and whoso is rebellious to Allah and His messenger, he verily goeth astray in error manifest.
37 And when thou saidst unto him on whom Allah hath conferred favour and thou hast conferred favour: Keep thy wife to thyself, and fear Allah. And thou didst hide in thy mind that which Allah was to bring to light, and thou didst fear mankind whereas Allah hath a better right that thou shouldst fear Him. So when Zeyd had performed that necessary formality (of divorce) from her, We gave her unto thee in marriage, so that (henceforth) there may be no sin for believers in respect of wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have performed the necessary formality (of release) from them. The commandment of Allah must be fulfilled.
48 And incline not to the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Disregard their noxious talk, and put thy trust in Allah. Allah is sufficient as Trustee.
50 O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war
51 Thou canst defer whom thou wilt of them and receive unto thee whom thou wilt, and whomsoever thou desirest of those whom thou hast set aside (temporarily), it is no sin for thee (to receive her again); that is better; that they may be comforted and not grieve, and may all be pleased with what thou givest them. Allah knoweth what is in your hearts (O men), and Allah is ever Forgiving, Clement.
53 And when ye ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) anything, ask it of them from behind a curtain. That is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not for you to cause annoyance to the messenger of Allah, nor that ye should ever marry his wives after him. Lo! that in Allah's sight would be an enormity.
57 Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in the world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained.
59 O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad). That will be better, so that they may be recognised and not annoyed. Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.
60-61 If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbours in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.
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#6 Theres no shortage of people here willing to point out anti-woman aspects of Islam. Whats not mentioned enough are the forces for change WITHIN Islam. The way to change Islam wrt women is to support education of muslim women, and to support those forces for change, not to rant on about how evil Islam is.
#7 I dont know how the modernizers in Morocco and Tunisia reconcile what they are doing with the Koran. I DO know that Christians who attempt to understand Jewish practice by reading what they call the Old Testament tend to have a very distorted view of Jewish life. Muslims, like Jews, have traditions of non-literal readings of their sacred texts, that make it possible to adapt to new conditions. Now Al Qaeeda and the other Salafist hate the non-literal approaches to Islamic law, and are quick to say that those who modernize have broken with Islam and become apostates. Interestingly the main viewpoint that agrees with the Salafists on that are the anti-Muslim voices here and elsewhere. You may think the Moroccans and Tunisians are no longer muslims, abd AQ certainly thinks they are no longer muslims, but AFAIK the Moroccans and Tunisians themselves think they ARE muslims, and so do most muslims around the world think the moroccans and tunisians (whether they agree with the reforms or not)
I don't have a problem with LiberalHawk's comments, and I'm comfortably certain he's as adament on the need for equal rights for women in every society as the rest of us are.
We all have a limited amount of time to write and to commit to weblogs. That LH hasn't written a treatise on the subject isn't a problem, for me at least.
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I am not certain of that at all, Steve. It doesn't take a treaty, or a deeply nuanced argument. A simple "women are treated poorly under Islamic law" would suffice. There is PLENTY of evidence for that, enough for a treatise. But a short sentence sticks in his throat, because he doesn't believe it. He must think injustices against women, in Islam OR OUT, are ok.
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I read an article in the WSJ a few weeks ago portraying a Moroccan woman, Ms. Skalli, either a former or current MP with a long history of fighting for women's rights in that country. The new king, Mhd. VI, has a hot young wife who has a degree in computers, and she is apparently the force behind the throne re women's rights. As a result, what Skalli had been asking for for ages re more equity in divorce, alimony, multiple wives, etc. was decreed by the king. But only after he had appointed a commission to study the matter. This commission had plenty of women and enlightened religious personalities. Hassan II's commission was only staffed with men of the strict interpretation school. In both cases, each party argued its point of view from an Islamic perspective, one liberal and the other conservative. The liberal one has won out. So here's an expample of a "within Islam" debate that has favored moderates. But for Rantburgers, don't expect a similar "within Islam" discussion re Palestine/Iraq/Israel/the Cowboy's WOT. Mrs. Mhd. VI doesn't rule the roost on Moroccan foreign policy and besides, I'm pretty sure she sees the world through Al-Jazeera eyes anyway.
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Is lighthearted glibness about the mistreatment of women in as much poor taste as joking about Jews being beheaded? I am not Jewish, but I would say it is. Sometimes you have to fight for something you're NOT.
We've been tip-toeing around the real nature of terrorism for far too long. The horror in Russia compels us to recognise the truth about this evil.
ENOUGH. Finally enough with the evasions and excuses -- the pretence that this had nothing to do with Islamism. No, the evil that turned a Russian school into a slaughterhouse is too great and too threatening for more such polite fictions.
Consider: the terrorists who seized the school in Beslan refused to give their 1100 hostages water -- not even children who after two days in stifling heat were unconscious from thirst.
Consider: one child, 10-year-old Stanislav Tsarakhov, said he'd seen a boy beg a terrorist for water, "but instead of giving him water he drove his bayonet through the boy's body".
Consider: when a teacher, Elza Viktorovna, pleaded for the terrorists to at least spare the children, she was asked, "Have you finished?", and when she nodded was shot dead.
Consider: when the terrorists exploded into their final orgy of bloodletting, they shot in the back many children who tried to flee.
Reporters described how one rescuer carried out a girl while trying frantically to keep her insides from spilling out of the hole blown in her back. They described, too, how one female terrorist wounded and then killed a father as he ran to the school to save his children. Aveta Aylyarova, a grandmother, told how she tried to help children who made it to her house, and how a girl shot in the legs cried: "Help me, aunty, I'm dying."
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Well said. I can't express how angry I am, and everyone I know is too. Beslan is beyond intolerable, beyond even 9/11, if that's possible.
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No. Theirs [sic Islamofascists] is a corruption of Islam that demands the end of our civilisation, and of democracy in Muslim lands. Theirs is a bastard Islam that would rather kill than let live. That worships death, and licences the murder of children.
Ditto that, Mr/s Victory.
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This is spot on. Islamists' will hide behind any banner that will enable dim-witted apologist journalists and spineless populations of Euro nuancy-boys to call this plague on civilization what it really is. Evil. Satanic. Muslim.
It disturbs me to see so many willing to live in their little 9/10 world, when these beasts are willing to slaughter children for no apparent reason, and then be called "rebels" or "sepratists".
Islamists' are mad dogs to be put down wherever they are encountered, whether the Mosque in Detroit or the alleys of Gaza or wherever.
I'm a pretty level headed sort, but a piece of my humanity died on 9/11, more with Bali, more with Falluja, more with this latest outrage in Beslan, and everytime I read about some animal killing innocents just because Allah says so.
There is no appeasing, no price to be paid, no concession that can be given that will prevent this sort of thing from occuring again and again and again, only each and every Islamist swinging from a lamp pole puts an end to it.
Bloodlust, murder, torture for its own sake.The bastards just like it, and they have no problems hiding behind the skirts of little girls with masks on to hide thier identity.
Its time to righteously fuck Mecca & up as a first step in letting them know their time is through.
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Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims," wrote Abdulrahman al-Rasheed, head of the Al-Arabiya TV channel, on Saturday.
In a bitter column in the pan-Arab newspaper Asharq Al-Awset, he added: "Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture."
The editor of the Kuwaiti daily Al-Siyassa, Ahmad Al-Jarallah, insisted Islamist extremism be fought by spreading democracy in Muslim countries such as Iraq, and defending it by force, with Americaâs help: "Terrorism can be tackled only through war, and only the United States . . . is capable of handling such a war."
apparently several leading muslims ARE "getting it". This is a tribute to successful US policies under Bush, but also a reminder that Islam != Islamism.
#5
These moron's will not stop, with words, or if Kerry or Bush is elected. Only if we kill them while we stop letting them teach the rest of the Muslim's this cult of death.
At least some Muslim's are "getting it". #1-#4, all right on.
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PlainSlow, I would really like to beleve that Islam != DeathCult, I really would.
But then I see Muslims dancing in the streets celebrating the slaughter of children and gang-rapes. Then I hear the defining silence from the leading 'moderate' Islamic organizations after the slaughter. Only days after, when they realize that this will stain Islam itself and they need to do some damage control, do I hear a few disclaimers and excuses.
Then I see the Islam's (and the terrorists) allies (the mainstream media, UN and EU) making excuses, blaming the victims and refusing to even identify the terrorists as muslim or even terrorists.
I really would like to think that what happened wasn't really 'Islam'. But I can't - every action done in the name of Islam and the silence of the 'moderates' scream to me otherwise - to me at this point Islam is a death cult which revels in the massive murder and rape of children.
The true name (or one of them) of Evil is 'ISLAM'.
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But the vast majority of Islamists support the terrorists either overtly via financing or 'dancing in the streets' or by remaining silent and not denouncing them from the mosques.
And no, not 'all' terrorists are Islamists. I would also call the cowards who bombed a catholic girl's school in Ireland years ago 'terrorists'. The difference is that they were soundly denounced by the churches.
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The truth is that all islamic condemnations of terrorist tactics will always ring hollow because of mohammed own example which always contradicted his so called peaceful teachings whenever they came between him and reaching whatever goal he had in mind.
The truth is that given the vast differences in power between modern muslims and a country like the US, mohammed would caluculate that terrorism was necessary in order to even the odds. mohammed's first principle was islam's triumph at all costs. Most of the time, he was able to threaten and intimidate people into cooperating with him but when they insisted on defying him, then things got really ugly and the buck was passed around to deflect any criticism away from him.
This has been going on since the inception of islam but you are never going to hear it from the islamic apologists. Whichever side of mohammed most suits their purposes is the one they will cite at any given time. But anyone with a brain can only come to the conclusion that mohammeds own record was hopelessly contradictory and always geared towards winning before anything else.
Todays terrorist are only behaving as mohammed would by sizing up the relative strength of their "enemy" and doing whatever it takes to conquer that enemy.
islam is a religion where true and consistent morality takes a back seat to expediency everytime.
they call this smart and practical. But it leads to the lines getting crossed over and over again. mohammed is a faulty compass that all muslims use to determine how they should respond to a given situation. In times of crisis he was capable of anything and so muslims will always sink to barbarity the greater the percieved crisis.
mohammed himself taught that things that would normally be crimes or sins in peacetime are just fine in wartime.
As long as islam exists, it will respond in direct ratio to the percieved threat. the more threated the more barbaric.
it can't be reformed until muslims renounce mohammed as a perfect example.
Until then all of their condemnations will carry not an ounce of weight. There is always mohammed the Expedient, the ultimate muslim exemplar lurking in the background winking.
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Like a dogs that have taken a dump on the floor, those who have called to have us bring our troops home from Iraq ought to be taken by the neck and have their noses jammed in this Beslan massacre. Retreat is not an option. We must attack.
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It is time to take the war to the terrorist homelands. The Maderasas have to go. The Saudis have to stop the backing of Wahabi teachings or pay up. If you really wish to see the extent of the poison being filled in Muslim heads just attend Friday prayers in any mosque in U.S.A. the time is to act now and take the gloves off or it may be too late. It is time we start calling a spade a spade and do whats needful
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Super Hose, That should be the job of the media - that is its greatest power (and its greatest treachery). The MSM should be shining a bright spotlight on what the islamists are doing - rape and murder of children - as well as the deafening silence - to show the true face of Islam.
I find the greatest betrayal of the public trust in focusing the spotlight on a already investigated and acknowleged prison scandle of a few foolish soldiers on a few nights, for months on end in order to destroy america and George Bush. Or producing forged documents in order to help Kerry. And then when something important happens, like the murder of schoolchildren and rape of teenagers (not to mention what is happening in Sudan and has been happening for months) they totally ignore it and provide 'cover' for their islamic allies.
The fact that the MSM knowingly refuse to even refer to the terrorists as 'terrorists' tells me that they (Jennings, Rather, etc...) are just as guilty.
True, IWPR is hardly known for its America-friendly editorials. That said, it's not like Peter Jennings and Aaron Brown are scouring the streets of Beslan and Nazran for man-on-the-street interviews.
During the September 8 rally, calls were heard for all Ingush people resident in North Ossetia to be expelled within three days. This was all the more alarming given that most of the demonstrators were from Vladikavkaz, not from the more volatile Beslan or Prigorodny district. "It's them who are doing it — the Ingush and the Chechens," said Artur Dzgoyev, a 77-year-old Ossetian on a bus near Beslan. "We are friends with Russia, we can't survive without Russia. And if Russia leaves Ossetia now, they will crush us."
Prigorodny district, which has a mixed Ingush and Ossetian population and is still disputed by the two communities, saw violence in 1992 that resulted in about 800 deaths. But the situation there has improved markedly over the past 12 years. On September 4, there was unrest in Vladikavkaz. Eyewitnesses reported that hundreds of young people tried to get to the city's suburb of Kartsa, which has an Ingush community, planning to beat them up and then move on to the government building in Vladikavkaz to demand Dzasokhov's resignation. Police, local government officials, and a small group of Russian interior ministry troops were unable to halt them, but luckily the president of neighbouring South Ossetia, Eduard Kokoity, was on the scene and persuaded the crowd to turn back. Much more at the link.
And another current link from IWPR: Ingushetia fearful
"People are holding back for the moment because it's a time of mourning," said Tamila Tabolova, a 35-year-old Ossetian resident of Beslan, whose sister Alina, a mother of three, died in School No. 1. "But the funerals will end and no one knows what will happen next. Everyone has weapons at home." This is curious:
The Russian security services have now changed their position on the origin of the Beslan hostage-takers. Initially they said that they included people of six nationalities, but that they were predominantly Ingush. Later on, they said that they came from all over the Caucasus. Even if the "revised" story is on the level (and it probably is), it just sounds like bullshit, especially to furious locals.
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I'm a firm believer against pogroms. However, I'm also a firm believer that when the 77 year olds are saying it, it's time to listen up.
I feel bad for the innocent Ingush who have nothing to do with this crime. But as a matter of practicality, if the 77 year olds are ready and willing to crack your skull, you need to do something more than just sit tight.
From Jihad Unspun
"Oh you who Believe! If a Liar comes to you with a news, verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done." [EMQ 49:6]
Apparently the Puppet (PBUH) had foreknowledge of al-Jizz.
The siege of a Russian school/higher education and military academy in North Ossetia has ended in massive bloodshed and loss of life, leaving possibly hundreds dead. Some analysts report that at least 700 people have been killed in total. Friday's events are but the latest in a chain of recent attacks inside Russia that have almost floored Russia and the failing Putin Presidency. The academy was seized on Wednesday by an group calling itself the Phalanges or divisions of the Martyrs of Riyaadh as-Saaliheen. A total of 32 men and women stormed the academy in Beslan during its opening ceremony for the new term, taking hostages as human-shields in order to make a political statement to the Russian authority and to the world about the brutal occupation of Chechnya by the Russian invaders.
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If they think that the occupation of Chechya is brutal, wait till they see the obliteration of Chechnya and the salting of the fields. Islam has never been able to grasp the Western concept of cause and effect, but they're about to get another lesson.
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When a Muslim speaks, we must believe he speaks the truth.
Another one of the many reasons I could never be a Moslem.
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With respect to the claim of the media that the mujahideen targeted children, we say bring your evidence
Gee - I didn't know Carville was over in Russia providing spin. I just thought he was here sabbotaging Kerry's campaign in order to ensure Hillary was elected in 2008.
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