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| Putin drops first hint at potential war in Ukraine as he warns of taking 'military measures' against the West and his propagandist says Russia is prepared to turn 'everyone to radioactive ash' |
| 2021-12-21 |
| [Daily Mail, where America gets its news] |
| Posted by:Skidmark |
| #19 I'm afraid Russia already fell into China's orbit twenty years ago when they worked to turn Venezuela into a CHINESE satellite. All the Putinistas keep asking what's the US interest. The US has an interest in not selling OUT people to its enemies. But that's not what The Machine's about, I guess. |
| Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2021-12-21 22:05 |
| #18 Do we have an interest? Yes. Keep Putter in check but that is not the real issue, to me. China will invade Taiwan at the same time. |
| Posted by: Woodrow 2021-12-21 17:51 |
| #17 Jeez - you sabotage one lousy corvette in a shipyard … |
| Posted by: Tiny Darling of the Weak4705 2021-12-21 16:42 |
| #16 All the Ukrainians have to do is to not fire o Russian troops on the border. |
| Posted by: badanov 2021-12-21 16:04 |
| #15 Sorry, meant NSC. NSA just opens other gentlemen's mail. |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2021-12-21 15:30 |
| #14 Could we toss public execution of the members of the Ukraine cabal at DoS, NSA and CIA into the mix? |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2021-12-21 15:29 |
| #13 The way games are played, what was offered earlier but not deliverd is no longer even a starting point for negotiations. |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2021-12-21 15:27 |
| #12 In 1962 Kennedy removed our missiles from Turkey. We can easily agree to stop meddling with javelins and advisers on the ground in Ukraine. |
| Posted by: Merrick Ferret 2021-12-21 15:26 |
| #11 1) Removal of all US military advisers, special forces et al from Ukraine 2) An end to US military assistance to Ukraine. 3) the same thing that Bush pere insisted on 30 years ago in his speech to the Ukrainian parliament: no NATO membership for Ukraine 4) Ukraine becomes a demilitarized, neutral, peaceful country a la Austria after 1947. The Russian-speaking eastern regions of Ukraine get limited autonomy to be agreed on through negotiations. |
| Posted by: Merrick Ferret 2021-12-21 15:25 |
| #10 What would we promise in return? Hands off Cuba. Opps, that's called embargo and all leftists hate it. Stop meddling in Latin America? Comon, Santa Clause ain't bringing that... |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2021-12-21 15:17 |
| #9 The upside to us is that we keep Russia from falling into China's orbit. The game here is about CHINA. Not Ukraine or Ossetia or Kaliningrad or Whatdafukystan. |
| Posted by: Merrick Ferret 2021-12-21 15:15 |
| #8 The mere fact Putin, or any Russian head of state, would want it puts it in play as a piece on the board. What do they give us in return? Promise to behave? No, it doesn't work that way. |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2021-12-21 15:12 |
| #7 He wants NATO to pull back -- just as the Warsaw Pact did (dissolved entirely, in fact) -- after 1990. He's proposing a demilitarized and neutral space in the borderlands next to Russia. This is what Baker, Bush pere and Gorbachev discussed in the negotiations surrounding German reunification: a totally sensible idea that Clinton and his people foolishly rejected in their delusions of a "unipolar" US order. Now we're suffering the effects of that hubris, with a devastated military and a demoralized and broken populace. Any intelligent US president would seize the opportunity and try to meet Putin halfway with our own counter-offer --beginning with disentangling the US from that miserable tarbaby called Ukraine. |
| Posted by: Merrick Ferret 2021-12-21 15:09 |
| #6 Nuland's and Vindman's genitals get chronically itchy when we don't meddle there. Ukraine, that is... |
| Posted by: M. Murcek 2021-12-21 15:02 |
| #5 What's our vital national interest in Ukraine? What's Putin's? What makes it so important to him that he's willing to risk a world war? |
| Posted by: Rob Crawford 2021-12-21 14:59 |
| #4 What's our vital national interest in Ukraine? Not History-Channel tales from 1940, or Fulda Gap scenarios from 1979, but an **actual threat to our freedom and prosperity** today / in 2022. A real and present existential danger, the prevention of which justifies sacrificing your or son's life. Anyone? Hunter? Brandon? Bueller? |
| Posted by: Merrick Ferret 2021-12-21 14:39 |
| #3 It's amazing how far the democrats will go to protect their Ukrainian bribes. It's like it's WW2 and every five minutes someone comes along and accuses Phillipe Petain of being a warmonger against Germany. I get it, I get it, that's your Gleichschaltung and you're sticking with it. |
| Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain 2021-12-21 14:32 |
| #2 It's amazing how far the democrats will go to protect their Ukrainian bribes. |
| Posted by: Vespasian Ebboting9735 2021-12-21 13:08 |
| #1 We can't be concerned with this, don't they know we have a covid outbreak going on? |
| Posted by: Chris 2021-12-21 12:52 |