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Economy
Commerce Secretary: Americans 'Need to Pay' for Chinese Emissions
2009-07-20
With the U.S. secretaries of energy and commerce in China this week, much of the attention focused on the standoff over emissions reductions or small breakthroughs in clean-tech cooperation.

But yesterday, Commerce Secretary Gary Locke said something amazing--U.S. consumers should pay for part of Chinese greenhouse-gas emissions. From Reuters:

"It's important that those who consume the products being made all around the world to the benefit of America -- and it's our own consumption activity that's causing the emission of greenhouse gases, then quite frankly Americans need to pay for that," Commerce Secretary Gary Locke told the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai.

The idea that rich-country consumers should pick up the tab for some of China's industrial emissions has been gaining currency lately--but not from within the Obama administration. The argument is that many of China's factories churn out cheap stuff for the West, not for domestic consumption, so those consumers are actually responsible for the emissions. China, of course, loves the idea.

This could just be another area for trade tensions with China over the environment. The House climate bill includes a provision for mandatory "carbon tariffs" on dirty imports from countries such as China, which might be illegal under international trade law and which have riled up Beijing. President Obama and Senate leaders have frowned on hardline trade measures.

But Secretary Locke's statement could open up a new can of worms--right when China's actions on energy and the environment are proving so crucial to mustering support among wavering senators for the administration's big cap-and-trade bill.
I think it's brilliant. Let Chinese firms invest the money to clean up their manufacturing processes, which currently poison the air, water and soil as well as spew CO2, and build that cost into the items they sell. Then let American consumers look at the higher prices and decide they don't need those things after all. Or that the things are worth the cost of not poisoning Chinese children to acquire.
Posted by:Fred

#15  Gary Locke. Tne name never fooled me...I knew that guy looked Italian.
Posted by: KBK   2009-07-20 22:59  

#14  During WW11 a concern was the Japanese would send bombs attached to balloons to hit our left coast.

They did, trying to start major forest fires they balloon floated incendiaries, started a few, more nuisance than disaster.
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2009-07-20 21:36  

#13  Pay for China's emissions?
No thanks. We're already paying for Barney Frank's.
Posted by: Black Bart Ebberens7700   2009-07-20 17:13  

#12  China should pay Americans for the part of the economy our politicians shipped to them and thus destroyed our economy.
Posted by: JohnQC   2009-07-20 15:35  

#11  Real casualities of Japanese balloons on US Mainland: On May 5, 1945, Rev. Archie Mitchell and his wife took a group of five children from their church on a tragic outing in the woods near Bly, Oregon.

Something strange -- a large deflated balloon -- dangled from a tree. One of the group grabbed hold and pulled it, setting off a fragmentation bomb, killing everyone except the pastor.

They became the only casualties of a Japanese attack on the U.S. mainland during World War II; their gravestones noting: "Killed by enemy balloon bomb."
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418   2009-07-20 13:00  

#10  Wait a minute.

First the article says China loves the idea of "rich-country consumers" picking up the tab for their industrial emissions. But then it says the idea of a "carbon tariff" has them all riled up. Well, then, how are we supposed to pay? It doesn't say that. Are we just supposed to pay whether we buy their crap or not? That's the kind of idea that has me all riled up. But I like the idea of a carbon tariff. I like that a lot. Jack it up real high. Make it hurt. If it gets to where it hurts enough we might start finding some American made alternatives on our store shelves.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305   2009-07-20 13:00  

#9  During WW11 a concern was the Japanese would send bombs attached to balloons to hit our left coast. I believe I remember reading such a story in a Sgt. Rock comic. It was a genuine concern at the time. Posted by Dale

And it did indeed HAPPEN!

California and the Second World War
The Japanese Balloon Bomb Attack at Hayfork
Hayfork is a small community in northern California about 40 miles west of Redding. On February 1, 1945 a Japanese bombing balloon was spotted by several local residents drifting over the Trinity National Forest area and slowly decending. No one knew what it was, but an alert forest ranger called the military authorities at the Presidio of San Francisco and reported it. Meanwhile the balloon came to rest atop a 60 foot dead fir tree in the forest near a local road. In the next few hours several people gathered in the area to gaze up at the strange object.

Shortly after dark there was a trernendous blast. The balloon's gas bag disappeared in a fireball and the balloon's undercarriage came crashing to the ground. No one was hurt. Forest rangers kept the curious well back from the fallen debris until Army personnel arrived, Upon examination, it was found to be a Japanese bombing balloon with four incendiary bombs and one high explosive bomb still aboard and the bomb releasing mechanism still very much intact. It later proved to be one of the most intact bombing balloons yet to fall into
American hands. As was usual in instances of thissort, the local people were told what it was and were asked to keep secret what they had seen.
Posted by: Besoeker   2009-07-20 12:38  

#8  China has been sending workers home for several months now. Exports are way down. So what are they doing ? their printing money.
Posted by: Dale   2009-07-20 11:44  

#7  We are paying. Wind from China comes here. During WW11 a concern was the Japanese would send bombs attached to balloons to hit our left coast. I believe I remember reading such a story in a Sgt. Rock comic. It was a genuine concern at the time.
Posted by: Dale   2009-07-20 11:38  

#6  Snark of the day to ed?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru   2009-07-20 10:14  

#5  Nothing cuts down emissions more than not buying their crap. That goes for both China and Washington DC.
Posted by: ed   2009-07-20 09:23  

#4  How hard can it be to hire someone who is on our side? What is the matter with these guys?
Posted by: whatadeal   2009-07-20 08:27  

#3  I fully agree with him. I'm going to "cut back on my consumption" of Walmart Chinese Communist products IMMEDIATELY!
Posted by: Besoeker   2009-07-20 07:23  

#2  Just a panda hugger performing to please the local audience.

BTW, Chinese have nothing but contempt for those who try to curry favor with them by self-flagellation. Their sneering response is, "get down on the floor where you belong, cur."
Posted by: gromky   2009-07-20 02:27  

#1  And you need to pay for the emmisions from your mouth A-hole. You should pay for your collective stupendous void of brain mass. I say $15 a minute for everyone in washington dc. The new cancer of the earth.

Tempt me THIS week and see how you all fare.
Posted by: newc   2009-07-20 00:24  

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