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China-Japan-Koreas
ROK Lacks Radar to Detect Nork Artillery
2011-11-16
The South Korean military's artillery firefinder radar systems failed to detect the North Korean artillery shells when they fell in waters near the Northern Limit Line close to Yeonpyeong Island on Aug. 10.

The Seoul area is threatened by about 340 long-range artillery pieces with a range of 54-65 km, including 170 mm self-propelled howitzers and 240 mm multiple rocket launchers, which the North has deployed along the western frontline near the demilitarized zone. This means large parts of the metropolitan area lie within the range of the North's long-range artillery, which is reportedly capable of raining up to 7,000 shells per hour on the area.
Which is why the Norks really don't need nuclear weapons from a strictly military standpoint: they can already turn Seoul into rubble whenever they wish.
The North usually hides its artillery pieces in caves to pull them out and fire shells when necessary. It then may put them back in their original positions in the caves within some five minutes to keep them safe from counterattacks.

That means the South must locate the source of artillery fire immediately after a North Korean attack either to fire at the weapons before they are put back into the caves or destroy the mouths of the caves so they cannot be pulled out again.

The artillery firefinder radar is a device capable of tracing the trajectory of enemy artillery shells. The South cannot launch a preemptive strike on the North's long-range artillery, and the artillery firefinder radar can detect enemy shells only after they are fired. The only option is to neutralize artillery immediately after an attack.

South Korea has a total of 20 artillery firefinder radar systems, including the American-made AN/TPQ-36 and 37 firefinders and the Swedish-made Arthur. The TPQ-36 is also called "mortar-locating radar" due to its short detection range of 24 km. The TPQ-37 has a coverage range of 50 km. The military has bought six Arthur firefinders since 2009 to complement the TPQ radars.

But there are fears that that is not enough since the radar systems are in short supply and break down often. According to data the Defense Acquisition Program Administration submitted to Future Hope Alliance lawmaker Song Young-sun of the National Assembly's Defense Committee, the six new Arthur firefinders deployed at the Third Army headquarters and its five corps broke down a staggering 78 times between November 2009 and November 2010.

According to data released by Grand National Party lawmaker Kim Ok-lee of the same committee, the TPQ-36 were repaired 98 times and the TPQ-37 60 times over the past five years. Last November, when the North shelled Yeonpyeong Island, the military failed to locate the source of the fire at first because a TPQ-37 broke down.

On Aug. 10, when the North fired artillery shells into waters off Yeonpyeong Island, an Arthur also failed to detect them because they were in the radar's blind spot, and experts say this could happen again.

A military source said, "The artillery firefinder radar can detect objects at a 60-90 degree angle. We can cover target areas around the clock only when we operate all radar systems in rotation, so it's hard to carry out watertight detection of long-range artillery fire only with about 20 radar systems."

The South has fewer than 10 TPQ-37s, and the U.S. Forces Korea has concluded it needs about 20 TPQ-37s to watch the frontline areas adequately. The TPQ-36 costs W3.7 billion apiece and the TPQ-37 W14.7 billion.
Posted by:Steve White

#7  Thank you, rammer dear. You say such useful things! :-)
Posted by: trailing wife   2011-11-16 23:57  

#6  This story is just a big pile of poo.

Yes, it is true that in poo there are often nuggets that burn hot, but they are still poo.

The Skors have tons of counter battery radars. Most of the time they are working great. Yes, sometimes there are some gaps. These systems do not cost billions of dollars. Six million should buy a TPQ-36 system plus some for support and spares. There are also smaller systems than those in the article that go for less than a million that do the job. They are easily affordable and can be massively deployed.

Whoever wrote this article has access to some kind of facts, and has augmented it with lots of bull-shit to seem important. May he roast in hell for confusing you. Sadly I cannot help you sort out which is which.

Just understand that the Sorks know where the Norks party places might be. Do a terrain analysis off of Google Earth and you can do it yourself. And understand that knowing most of the Nork's party places, the Sorks are ready to kick their commie butts.

If you are a Nork reading this know that you will quickly die if you are in a party place and doing wrong to the Sorks. Really. So dead. And I mean quickly. Not like you get to check your watch and stuff like the Nork Colonel, way far away, on the radio said.

To paraphrase from Nike, Just don't do it. Take a sickie that day. It could save your life.
Posted by: rammer   2011-11-16 23:36  

#5  Moved it out of Yongson to the mountain Joe?
Still got the parade ground in Itaewon?
Posted by: Skidmark   2011-11-16 23:29  

#4  ION DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > NORTH KOREA TEST-FIRES MISSLES [anti-Naval = Air-to-Ship] IN YELLOW SEA: REPORT [Yonhap News].

versus

CHINESE MILITARY FORUM > [SecState Hillary] CLINTON USES WARSHIP TO PUSH PHILIPPINES ALLIANCE, i.e. strong US-PHIL, Regional = Pacific-wide Alliance.

* SAME > AMERICAN'S AIRSEA BATTLE PLAN |[People's Daily] AIRSEA BATTLE PLAN RENEWS OLD HOSTILITY.

* SAME > OBAMA SAYS US WILL BOOST AUSTRALIA MILITARY TIES.

POSTER = argues that US plan to have US Marines train alongside AUS forces, 250 Marines to start next year + rising up to 2500 oer next six years [2018? = USMC Air-Ground Task Force size], is merely MORE ANTI-CHINA 2012 RE-ELECTION HYPE TO HELP A WEAK-N-GETTING WEAKER? OBAMA ADMIN. CHINA DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THESE "PAMPERED" MARINES AS IT WAS ABLE TO PUSH THEM BACK FROM THE YALU DURING THE FIRST KOREAN WAR, + HOW CAN THESE SAME HOPE TO DEFEAT CHINA IFF THEY CAN'T DEFEAT GOAT-HERDING, BACKWARD MUSLIM JIHADISTS IN AFGHANISTAN WHOSE KABUL GOVT OPERATES ON AN ANNUAL BUDGET 10x LESS???

versus

* DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > CHINA WARNED AUSTRALIA OVER US MILITARY BASE | [Global Times] AUSTRALIA COULD BE CAUGHT IN SINO-US CROSSFIRE.

* SAME > AUSTRALIA TO HOST US SOLDIERS PERMANENTLY | [ABC.Net] AUSTRALIA TO HOST PERMANENT US TRAINING BASE.

* SAME, YPOX > PHILIPINES REJECTS CHINESE NEW TERRITORIAL CLAIMS. "Areas 3, 4" 50 miles from the Phillipines' PALAWAN PROVINCE [island].

Again, Rising China wants "sole" or "joint" [PLA-dominated/controlled] Basing Rights throughout the "First Island Chain", to which AFAIK it is having little to no luck achieving.CONSEQUENTLY,
IT IS NOT COMPROMISING OR GIVING UP ITS CLAIMS OF ABSOLUTE NATIONAL = "CHINA-ONLY" SOVEREIGNTY TO VARIOUS DISPUTED SOUTH + EAST CHINA SEA ISLES, + BULK [NLT 70%] OF SOUTH CHINA SEA REGION PER SE, IS PREPARED TO MILITARILY DEFEND ITS FORESAID CLAIMS, + WILL NOT ENGAGE OR SHARE IN MULTILATERAL OR "JOINT" ECON DEV OF THESE DISPUTED ISLES WID SMALLER NATIONS [e.g. ASEAN States] UNLESS ITS ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGNTY OVER DISPUTED ISLES, REGION IS FORMALLY ACKNOWLEDGED.

Beijing's idea of engaging in "joint" or multi-national dev of the SCS Region, etc, is BUILDING PLA MILFACS + [armed?]OIL-GAS RIGS RIGHT NEXT TO THOSE OF ASEAN STATES IN DISPUTED ISLES OR ENERGY FIELDS.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2011-11-16 21:29  

#3  The ROK's defense of Seoul is for nationalist - socio-cultural purposes only - their real HQ, Govt-plex for fighting off a DPRK invasion is much further south.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2011-11-16 19:15  

#2  I don't suppose it matters that they couldn't spot rounds falling in the ocean. It doesn't even matter if they can track the rounds back. To deal with the NORK arty, they need to get counterbattery going before the guns are pulled back into their caves.
See Redleg rumba for how fast a good crew can fire a 155. They could burn out the barrel before the counterbattery guys got out of bed.
Unless the counterbattery units are on permanent, crew in the pit drinking coffee, twenty-four seven, alert.
Once it gets to swapping rounds, the SKORs will probably be outgunned and out outshot.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey   2011-11-16 10:34  

#1  I seem to remember that Seoul is also within the umbrella of Nork air defense, from units staged north of the DMZ. Without turning Seoul to rubble, the airport could simply be shutdown by the insurers of international carriers.

Posted by: Skidmark   2011-11-16 00:33  

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