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Home Front: Politix
CNN/Time: How Dare You! [re. General Petraeus]
2007-09-21
This editorial on Time's website is written by Michael Kinsley, who even Baghdad Bob could take lessons from. I have decided that he must be a moonbat . Who doesn't feel he has any stake in this war. Some people will never figure it out, and this guy seems to be one of them. He doesn't understand what it means that MoveOn.pimp ran this ad before Petraeus spoke, and that Hillary's phrasing was essentially calling General Petraeus a liar. Hillary's motivations are almost purely political or you would think she (and all the other liberals who side with her) would be pleased to see things are going well and that a lot of folks have a chance to live a life far better than they "enjoyed" before. These are the same folks who repeatedly cry "Don't question my patriotism!" Apparently that only applies if you are a true liberal as defined by MoveOn.sugardaddy. This guy also seems to think being disingenuous in politics is perfectly acceptable even if people's lives and everyone's futures hang in the balance. As far as I am concerned if you can't play fair given these stakes, you are hopelessly lost. Read on if you wish just so you know what is (or isn't) going on in his liberal mind. Don't have anything breakable too near.

Goodness gracious. oh, my paws and whiskers. Some of the meanest, most ornery hombres around are suddenly feeling faint. Notorious tough guys are swooning with the vapors. The biggest beasts in the barnyard are all aflutter over something they read in the New York Times. It's that ad from MoveOn.org — the one that calls General David Petraeus, the head of U.S. forces in Iraq, general betray us. All across the radio spectrum, right-wing shock jocks are themselves shocked. How could anybody say such a thing? It's horrifying. It's outrageous. It's disgraceful. It's just beyond the pale ... It's ... oh, my heavens ... say, is it a bit stuffy in here? ... I think I'm going to ... Could I have a glass of ... oh, dear [thud].
I recall them being pi$$ed off, I don't recall the fainting. But I've seen all sorts of stories involving crying and victimized innocent children made up by liberals and put on the internet for others who are like-minded who would even lick that crud up off the back of my balls if they found it there.
Welcome to the wonderful world of umbrage, the new language of American politics. You would not have thought that the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly would be so sensitive. Sticks and stones and so on. Yet they all seem to have taken one look at that ad and fainted dead away. And when they came round, they demanded — as if with one voice (or at least as if with one list of talking points) — that every Democratic presidential candidate must "condemn" this shocking, shocking document.
Why don't you go into some depth about why they find it shocking and why even liberals shy away from it?
The ad is pretty tough, and the pun on the general's name is pretty witless. You could argue that since the verb betray and the noun traitor have the same root, the ad is accusing the head of American forces in Iraq of treason. The ad can also be interpreted — more plausibly if you consider the rest of the text — merely as questioning the general's honesty, not his patriotism. But whatever your interpretation of the ad, all the gasping for air and waving of scented handkerchiefs among the war's most enthusiastic supporters is pretty comical.
PUN? WITLESS? Interesting choice of words there, Michael. Trying to minimize something, are we? The likes of you are the ones who madly arm-wave those "scented handkerchiefs" around in these situations. Also interesting to note that you don't see how Petraeus cannot be meaningfully patriotic if he were falsely testifying. Oh, I almost forgot (not) that you are liberal and have a problem with cause/effect and logical connections. Especially when trying to make a situation that reveals some ugly truths go away.
It's all phony, of course. The war's backers are obviously delighted to have this ad from which they can make an issue. They wouldn't trade it for a week in Anbar province (a formerly troubled area of Iraq that is now, thanks to us, an Eden of peace and tranquillity where barely a car bomb disturbs the perfumed silence — or so they say). These days, mock outrage is used by every side of every dispute. It's fair enough to criticize something your opponent said while secretly thanking your lucky stars that he said it. The fuss over this MoveOn.org ad is something else: it is the result of a desperate scavenging for umbrage material. When so many people are clamoring for a chance to swoon that they each have to take a number and when the landscape is so littered with folks lying prostrate and pretending to be dead that it starts to look like the end of a Civil War battle re-enactment, this isn't spontaneous mass outrage. This is choreography.
Like Hillary's pre-scripted comments or MoveOn.pimp's ad that ran before Petraeus testified? Well, I guess you would be a better judge than I. In any case, even without the ad your cause was dead and buried. Nobody was "desperately looking for umbrage material" except maybe for Hillary. Besides, your idiotic pimp-masters are the ones that vomited that one up, not "true liberals", right? So why are you so defensive?
The constant calls for political candidates to prove their bona fides by condemning or denouncing something somebody else said or to renounce a person's support or to return her tainted money are a tiresome new tic in American politics. They're turning politics into a game of "Mother, May I?" Did you say "Here is my plan for health-care reform"? Uh-oh, you were supposed to say "I condemn MoveOn.org's comments on General Petraeus, and here is my plan for health-care reform."
Why don't you want to pick a side, Mr. Public Figure? I want to know what I am voting for.
All this drawing of uncrossable lines and issuing of fatuous fatwas is supposed to be a bad habit of the left. When right-wingers are attacking this habit rather than practicing it, they call it political correctness. The problem with political correctness is that it turns discussions of substance into arguments over etiquette. The last thing that supporters of the war want to talk about at this point is the war. They'd far rather talk about this insult to General Petraeus. It just isn't done in polite society, it seems, to criticize a general in the middle of a war. (Although, when else?)
We don't need to talk about the war as much as we need to talk about the defeatist liberal mindset. That says a lot.
The Republican front runner, Rudy Giuliani, is another tough guy who has seized the opportunity to reveal his easily bruised soft side. He is running TV commercials saying Hillary Clinton "stood by silently" while MoveOn.org ran its despicable ad. Another way of saying this would be that she had nothing to do with the ad. But Rudy accuses her of "joining with" MoveOn.org and "attacking" General Petraeus, although the only evidence he can muster for this accusation is a clip from Clinton telling the general at a hearing that his reports of progress in the war "really require the willing suspension of disbelief." For this, Giuliani demands an "apology," not just to the general but to all American troops in Iraq. He accuses her of "turning her back" on America's brave soldiers "just when our troops need all our support to finish the job."
Easily bruised? You're backing down from a guy who's "easily bruised"? Hmm.
When we try to untangle this web of accusation and innuendo, Giuliani appears to be suggesting that it is unacceptable for a Senator to express skepticism about anything said by a general in uniform. If he believes that, he does not understand democracy. I am shocked by this. In fact, if Giuliani doesn't apologize, and if the other Republican candidates don't condemn this commercial, I think I'm going to faint.
There is no web of accusations, you would just like there to be one so you could hide in it. There is no innuendo except in your liberal mind. What was said was perfectly clear. As are the resulting actions/inactions/avoidances/disingenuities. There is total disarray in the Democratic party right now whether you like it or not. It is related to disagreements on how to cover up the massive party-wide hypocrisy that has been exposed to even the politically blind. Rather than try to fix the problem you try to minimize and redefine it.
Posted by:gorb

#21  I must apologize. I misspoke: Mama took six months to earn that diploma from Oxford. But she didn't know any English when she started, so it kind of evens out. And now that poor Oxford is gone, I can admit that it was one of the two high schools certified by the university of the same name. Her branch was in Holland. She's very proud of her marks in BritLit, but didn't do very well in chemistry, having had a very erratic education up to that point. Quite ruined her hopes of following in Madam Curie's footsteps... but she ended up marrying a research biochemist, which was quite a comfort. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife   2007-09-21 23:09  

#20  uhhhhh (drool), whut do stoopid means?
Posted by: Hyper   2007-09-21 22:27  

#19  Â“The war's backers are obviously delighted to have this ad from which they can make an issue.”

My apologies in advance for an extended rant.
I must admit, in a sense, I am delighted this event took place. (As disgusting a spectacle I have ever witnessed.) It has exposed the truth that the whole “we support the troops” shtick from the Democrat leadership is nothing more then a steaming pile. Kinsley’s’ “oh so clever” brethren obviously believed they could bait the “war backers” into, as he puts it, “an issue”. Then after the fact they could smugly say that the President is more concerned about a silly “ad” rather then “changing course” in the war. (Heard that one before?) You see, when Senator Clinton sternly said she had to “suspend disbelief” she will tell you that she was merely referring to the “report” – not the military. Never mind that the author of that report was sitting right in front of her. The problem is that it’s only the same ole useless fools that believe this is simply about an advertisement or a report. And not what it really is - a slander on the military.
Case in point. I know an elderly lady that has voted Democrat her entire life. She is even prone to an occasional BDS fit. However, she is also a widow of a WWII Veteran. Her disdain for the advertisement was predictable. But she became quite animated in her response to Senator Kerry’s tepid “I think the ad was over the top” comment. “Over the top?” she rhetorically shouted. “And to think…I voted for that asshole!” And seriously, she is a lady.
Posted by: DepotGuy   2007-09-21 19:42  

#18  You missed RM 131 in the Annex, and get off the computers, they're for the English.
Posted by: Thomas Woof   2007-09-21 18:59  

#17  Please, oxford 101, that is Rantburg cavepersons. Please get your terms of abuse straight. It is the mark of a truly educated person to use the correct terms, always.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom   2007-09-21 16:22  

#16  TW & Barbara, I'd match your wits, grace, and intelligence against the likes of Oxford 101 or any other cowardly troll any day of the week 24/7/365.

I'd match them (your wits, grace and intelligence) up against my own most days of the week in fact. Degrees, diploma's, and a bunch of letters you can stack beside your name don't mean much in the overall scheme of things. What matters is how you live your lives and how you treat your friends and family. Most everybody has me beat by leagues in that area.

With that said, please, ladies, do not look any further - I am about to be ungentlemanly...

So, Oxford 101, go ahead - take on our gracious ladies if you've got the guts and do not simply want to be a troll. They'll intellectually kick your ass so far up between your shoulders you'll be sh^tting out your mouth for a week.
Posted by: FOTSGreg   2007-09-21 16:18  

#15  I won't be one of the Rantburgers "debating" Oxford 101 - assuming it decides to try actaully debating us.

I do have standards, minimum though they may be.

One of those standards is that I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2007-09-21 15:35  

#14  On the other hand, my mother has a diploma from Oxford. She worked really hard, so it took her three months to earn it. But Mama's pretty bright -- she went to medical school in Switzerland for the fun of it, because she wanted to learn French while studying anatomy. And the publisher is waiting for her to finish translating her textbook into English, because the German edition sold out in the first few weeks.
Posted by: trailing wife   2007-09-21 15:30  

#13  FOTSGreg dear, you mustn't put me up there with the rest of you, with all those letters before and after your names. I'm just a little suburban housewife who's only ever earnt her Mrs.
Posted by: trailing wife   2007-09-21 15:23  

#12  Bring it on then Oxford 101.

Do you have the intellectual hardware to actually spar in a realistic contest of wit and wisdom with the likes of the people found at Rantburg? If so, bring it on. I'll spar with you. I like spanking halfwits who think they're intellectual geniuses.

Or, you could take on Fred, Zenster, Procopius, Steve White, Trailing Wife (TW's just one who'd kick your ass in any intellectual argument hands down), Seafarious, or any of a dozen others.

So, if you've got the guts, bring it on. Lay your arguments out and respond to our (or my) counterpoints in an intellectual and non-trollish fashion and maybe we can determine who the brightest bulb in the drawer is here.

My bet's on Rantburg.

Posted by: FOTSGreg   2007-09-21 15:13  

#11  By-the-by, MoveOn.org was organized around the Bill Clinton impeachment. It was intended to scold America into "moving on" past Clinton's, er, behavior in the Oval Office.
Posted by: eLarson   2007-09-21 15:01  

#10  Kinsley was the whiny-voiced one on Crossfire some years ago. There were days it looked like he'd burst a blood vessel.
Posted by: eLarson   2007-09-21 14:57  

#9  #7: I just like to toy with you rantburg cavemen

A Cromagnon calls us cavemen?
Posted by: Redneck Jim   2007-09-21 14:37  

#8  Shavinter Sproing5216: kind of like Senator Craigs indescretions representing the real queerness of the GOP

Idiot. You are looking at the difference between one man's actions - and a party that distanced itself from him - and the actions of pretty much the entire Democratic party. See the difference? Why should I have to hold your hand through simple logic like this? It's not that tough. In fact, I'd expect a high school kid to get it without any help from an adult. You fit right in with the model I use for extreme liberals. You just care about how the subject makes you feel, not the substance.

One more thing: Your mom dropped by today. Between gulps she told me that to remind you to breathe every hour or so.
Posted by: gorb   2007-09-21 14:31  

#7  I just like to toy with you rantburg cavemen
Posted by: oxford 101   2007-09-21 12:49  

#6  Baghdad Bob I think would not start out a speech with 'oh my paws and whiskers'; way too tough for that kind of talk. Irrelevant article worthy of only the TV Guide channel, the story here is that this fivilty was approved for posting on a major web site/news outlet. Fortunately had my aspirin ready as the content of this story can be noticed easier than a train crossing the prarie at night.
Some people still feel real life and have genuine outrage. Mister, this man has considerable influence on the lives of many of my family at the moment. And there are people overseas which I think would find the reference to pretend dead...disturbing. In respectful, or at least polite, society one does not criticise a commanding general - or anyone else of prominant position - by calling them 2nd grade chides; instead of using that large (cheap) ad space to outline some disagreed points.
When playing mud vollyball the players expect to get at least a little dirty. What is understood as good conduct is if the referee -agreed upon by both side- makes a call s/he should not be taken down and trown into the pit because one side disagreed with the call. Also, I expect a president to be able to multi-task. If a candidate can't handle multiple topics at once, or at least read their writer's script in the right order, that should be a matter of concern. After watching the democrats last night, and I'm not sure yet who I will vote for yet, but Giuliani's soft side appears to be tougher than just about all of the candidates' tough side.
Oh, and to our cheetah spanker, there are plenty of entertainers and politicians who have advanced their career and assets based soley on President Bush being in office. Oh what could be done out here with 10% of the money spent by the d-candidates on ads outclassed by high school AV departments.
Posted by: swksvolFF   2007-09-21 12:31  

#5  Why are you looking, Shavinter Sproing5216 dear? Surely you have something better to do than watch others go to the bathroom.
Posted by: trailing wife   2007-09-21 12:19  

#4  from the grasy knoll I can see WTF sitting playing footsie in the Milwaulkie Airport with his buddy the GOP senator.
Posted by: Shavinter Sproing5216   2007-09-21 11:47  

#3  "how to cover up the massive party-wide hypocrisy that has been exposed to even the politically blind"
kind of like Senator Craigs indescretions representing the real queerness of the GOP
Posted by: Shavinter Sproing5216   2007-09-21 11:09  

#2  meanwhile the US economy goes into a tailspin and the idiots who elected this moron for president ignore the fact that their puny lives are about to be irreperably changed( they'll become peasants, unless their uber-rich)by tricky Dick and pals.

Just like a liberal troll. When you're caught red-handed and can't win the argument - change the subject.

Say, Sheth - I just bet you're a 'truther' too! How's the view from the grassy knoll?
Posted by: WTF   2007-09-21 09:04  

#1  meanwhile the US economy goes into a tailspin and the idiots who elected this moron for president ignore the fact that their puny lives are about to be irreperably changed( they'll become peasants, unless their uber-rich)by tricky Dick and pals.
Posted by: Tarzan Sheth3256   2007-09-21 08:30  

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