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Spanish court upholds warrants for US soldiers
2005-10-28
Spain's National Court upheld warrants for the arrest on murder charges of two U.S. Army officers and a sergeant in the killing of a Spanish journalist in Baghdad in 2003.

A state attorney had challenged the warrants, saying the Spanish tribunal did not have jurisidiction in the matter of the killing television cameraman Jose Couso in April 2003. He also cited what he said were procedural flaws in the issue of the warrants.

Couso, who worked for Spain's Telecinco network, was killed while filming from a balcony of the Palestine Hotel in the Iraqi capital. A colleague from Reuters, Ukrainian photographer Taras Protsyuk, also died from the explosion of the round fired

by a U.S. Army tank.

National Court judge Santiago Pedraz rejected the state attorney's challenge, saying "there is sufficient reason to believe they are responsible" for the murder of the men and for the additional offence of "crimes against the international community".

The charges carry jail sentences of 15 to 20 years and 10 to 15 years, respectively.

Pedraz said in Friday's statement that the warrants are not "a reprisal" for the lack of cooperation of U.S. authorities with Spain's investigation into the incident.

Spain is an ally of the United States in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, but relations between Washington and Madrid have been strained since the Socialist government pulled Spanish troops out of Iraq in April 2004.

Pedraz, in issuing the warrants last week, said the move was "the only effective means of assuring the presence of those implicated before Spain's judicial authority, in light of the total absence of judicial cooperation by U.S. authorities in efforts to clear up what happened".

He said he had twice requested assistance from the United States under the terms of existing bilateral accords, asking in April 2004 for specific documents and in June of this year for testimony from the three soldiers.

The three men named in the warrants are Sgt. Thomas Gibson, Capt. Philip Wolford and Lt. Col. Philip de Camp.

Couso's relatives, backed by organizations including Reporters Without Borders and the Committee to Protect Journalists, are pressing the criminal case after rejecting a Pentagon report clearing U.S. military personnel of any wrongdoing in the incident.

Sgt. Gibson was the one who fired from an M1 Abrams tank after seeing someone was using binoculars to observe his group from Baghdad's Palestine Hotel, where most of the foreign journalist covering the U.S. invasion of Iraq were staying.

A month after the incident, Gibson told Telecinco, "I didn't fire on him immediately. I called my superiors and told them what I had seen. Ten minutes later, they called me and told me to fire on him, and so I did."

His immediate superior, Capt. Wolford, authorized him to fire after the gunner told him he had seen someone in the hotel using binoculars, according to an interview Wolford gave the French weekly Le Nouvel Observateur.

Lt. Col. De Camp, in an interview published in the Los Angeles Times in April, also acknowledged that he authorized the firing on the hotel.

The three men named in the Spanish warrants cannot be arrested in the United States. But they would be subject to detention, with an eye to extradition to Spain, if they travel to a nation that has an extradition treaty with Madrid.


Posted by:lotp

#37  D) Broadcast Voice of America to Spain in Swedish.

Ve vill noot tollerate sech fun-making aboot us serious suicide-prone and right-thenking politically newtrall arms-distributeing inspiring of Stolkholm Syndrome progressive ewetopic globall ceetizens!!!
Posted by: Zenster   2005-10-28 23:57  

#36  They'll show up-- if they can drive to court in their tank.
Posted by: DO   2005-10-28 20:11  

#35  The court may want to send investigators to the US in support of this case. They will probably be refused, but it is just possible that cowards and quislings in the State Department will let them in. If so, the first local jurisdiction that can get its hands on them should arrest them for conspiracy to kidnap American citizens and conspiracy to incite terrorism. These are crimes in many jurisdictions, and Pedraz himself is vulnerable if he comes here. If he comes to Texas, I will urge the Attorney-General to seek an arrest warrant for him charging promotion of terrorism and conspiracy to commit official oppression.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2005-10-28 19:56  

#34  From Ernest Hemingway to Margot in two generations. Stay the "Hague" out of those places.
Posted by: Bardo   2005-10-28 19:54  

#33  Darn!

No more riojas for me. I can't really think of anything alse the Spaniards make.
Posted by: 11A5S   2005-10-28 19:11  

#32  The poor boy can't help himself. When one is as young and pretty as he, with such flowing locks, and has passed an exam as well! It's only a matter of time before he somehow becomes related to Kofi Annan or Jacques Chirac anyway. And in the meantime, so many parties to go to, thrown by the right sort of people, you do know how it is.

/sarcasm, in case you weren't certain.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-10-28 19:06  

#31  Not yet. Warrant, no arrest.
Posted by: Pappy   2005-10-28 18:47  

#30  Does this mean I win?
Posted by: 11A5S   2005-10-28 18:05  

#29  cog.nuevayork@mae.es

Email the Spanish Consulate in New York
Posted by: Parabellum   2005-10-28 17:13  

#28  "Couso's relatives, backed by organizations including Reporters Without Borders and the Committee to Protect Journalists, are pressing the criminal case after rejecting a Pentagon report clearing U.S. military personnel of any wrongdoing in the incident."

This is an example of something I have mentioned here before: The institutional media have long assigned quasi-governmental status to media-oriented NGOs. Media-influenced governments have begun to recognize this status, especially in Europe.
"Media oriented" NGOs are those that exist primarily to raise funds through a high-profile media presence, invariably with the connivance of the media themselves. They are, in fact, a component of the institutional media culture itself, providing ready-made authority for media culture memes and, in return, receiving billions in free fund-raising propaganda.
"Greenpeace", originally a 60s style outlaw gang, has evolved into a pillar of the media establishment and is the prototype for this category of NGO. Today, it openly presumes governmental authority and places enormous emphasis on its network of corporate sponsors, of whom there are hundreds.
Leftist Spain is even more stuck in the 70s media world than the rest of Europe, so it is no surprise that a Spanish judge would act essentially on the orders of media-based NGOs.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2005-10-28 17:12  

#27  You have got to really thank GOD that Gore and Kerry is not the President. You know that those two would bend over at the first opportunity and take it from these yahoos. I have a better answer for Spain: COME AND GET THEM!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2005-10-28 16:42  

#26  Print all Spanish Visa applications in Sanskrit.

Old Patriot - You are my kinda guy! LOL
Posted by: BigEd   2005-10-28 15:27  

#25  JFM a bullet in his brain would remove him, but we won't do that.

This whole thing reminds me our future is in the Pacific and Asia not the Atlantic and Europe.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom   2005-10-28 14:50  

#24  At the same time the same Pedraz has been at the center of several controversial decisions of releasing multi-murderer (20 something) and unrepentant ETA terrorists. For instance
de Juana Chaos who was sentenced to thousands, of years in jail and who told "I take pleasure in seeing the pain in the faces of the rrelatives of the victim" who was also a proponent of alliance with the Islamists and who made a party with them after the Madrid bombings. That judge ordered his release after just 17 years due account between others, the fact of having taking universiy courses (who later were proven false); in Spain that reduces the term. Fortunately the liberation was appelaed and overuled on the basis that de Juana Chaos had continued collaborating with ETA from his cell.

But it tells you waht kind of guy is Pedraz. Unfortunately in Spain as in most of Europe a judge is a guy who has succeeded at an exam, he is not elected by the people, he is not nominated by someone elected by the people, just that an exam. And once he has got that exam there is no way for the people, directly or indirectly to fire or even displace him without his consent.
Posted by: JFM   2005-10-28 14:32  

#23  RWV wrote: Hey, Pedraz. You remember the last time we disagreed? 1898 wasn't it? That worked out so well for you that you want a rematch?

Speaking of which... can we get a refund for Cuba?
Posted by: eLarson   2005-10-28 14:05  

#22  Another nutter judge run amok after becoming a bit intoxicated from sitting on the throne of his little kingdom. Nothing good will come of this.
Posted by: MunkarKat   2005-10-28 13:45  

#21  Print all Spanish Visa applications in Sanskrit.

Old Patriot - You are my kinda guy! LOL
Posted by: BigEd   2005-10-28 13:37  

#20  I'll be in the neighborhood soon, anyone got a home address for this fuck??

I'd love to show him some Southern Hospitality and discuss the horrors of war over tea.

EP
Posted by: ElvisHasLeftTheBuilding   2005-10-28 13:22  

#19  Let's don't blame all of Spain for the stupidity of a few leftist politicians. However, after saying that, I think the US should:

A) End our membership in NATO. Let it become the EUroweenie Warfighting and Dancing Group. Instead, create a better alliance with Britain, Australia, and Japan.

B) Close what few bases we still have in Spain, and pull all American troops out. We don't really need Rota Naval Base, Zaragosa or Torrejon AB.

C) Reduce our embassy staff to a Charge de Affairs and a couple of admin clerks. Print all Spanish Visa applications in Sanskrit. Recommend Portugal or Italy as an alternative vacation spot for American tourists.

D) Broadcast Voice of America to Spain in Swedish.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2005-10-28 13:14  

#18  ..and for the additional offence of "crimes against the international community".

Wow, this is beyond words.

He must have one helluva strong neck to hold up his extremely large head...
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-10-28 13:00  

#17  Your main problemo, Senor Dipshit, is that the killing was not "murder" in the legally-defined sense.

But thanks for playing.
Posted by: mojo   2005-10-28 12:34  

#16  Hey, Spain cooperates with terrorists. Blockade their ports, shoot down all air traffic, destroy their infrastructure and kick them out of NATO. Then after their country turns into another Somalia, ask them again, "What was that you wanted?"
Posted by: Silentbrick   2005-10-28 12:27  

#15  
How's about - FOAD

And you owe us for the tank shell too!!
Posted by: macofromoc   2005-10-28 12:21  

#14  ...Recall the US Ambassador. NOW.
Stop ALL operations from US Bases in Spain. NOW.
Stop ALL payments to Spain for those operations. NOW.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski   2005-10-28 12:19  

#13  Never take a webcam to a tank fight. Did he always take cover on open balconies? Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're "Stuck on Stupid" For future reference, unless new management has arrived, the menu and wine list at the Palestine Hotel resturant is hopelessly boring. Avoid it if at all possible.
Posted by: Besoeker   2005-10-28 12:12  

#12  Good thing we didn't join the ICC. This kind of thing would happen every week.
Posted by: Iblis   2005-10-28 11:57  

#11  Stuff like this is why most of the military voted for Bush instead of Kerry.
Posted by: RWV   2005-10-28 11:55  

#10  Hey, Pedraz. You remember the last time we disagreed? 1898 wasn't it? That worked out so well for you that you want a rematch? This guy is just like Chuck Schumer, a schmuck who never met a TV camera he didn't like.
Posted by: RWV   2005-10-28 11:54  

#9   Defense counsel will be entering an appearance shortly.
Posted by: Matt   2005-10-28 11:51  

#8  An all-out American boycott of all things Spanish will teach the disgraceful descendants of my heritage that they (a) dishonor Spain's great heritage and history, and (b) that they are a bunch of sclerotic Socialist-loving losers that will quiver in fear when the Islamists re-build their Iberian network and hit them again!

Stupid, cowardly Spanish half-witted Leftists!

Islamism One, Liberty Zero

Posted by: Uleating Wheagum6743   2005-10-28 11:51  

#7  I'm sure the US will be washing it's collective hair the next time a Spanish colonialist occupied enclave in North Africa is overrun. And let's not even talk about the highly sensitive subject of Andalusia, which the rightful owners had ruled for 700 years years before being stolen by religous zealots from Aragon. If it should come up, we'll be out to dinner with the cell phone off.
Posted by: ed   2005-10-28 11:43  

#6  Let's take up a collection to have all his living relatives kneecaped.
Posted by: wxjames   2005-10-28 11:22  

#5  

Santiago Pedraz.
Look at this Socialist Eurotrash F**K.

Link to Article in Spanish where he won't procecute Basque terrorists...

Babel fish translantes -

Judge Santiago Pedraz has confirmed his decision of not processing to the ETA prisoner Of Juana Chaos by the crimes of property to ETA and terrorist threats. Also he has reproached to the public prosecutor the one that has not credited in what their accusations are sustained. The Hearing considered yesterday that the ETA member must follow in prison in a nonbinding decision, but this same court will decide on the resource interposed by the public prosecutor.

He'd probably like the 3 Stooges on the 9th circuit who tried to thwart the recall a couple of years ago out here in CAL.
Posted by: BigEd   2005-10-28 11:13  

#4  I told Jose to stay down here with us. Have Achmed turn up the TV over the bar and there's all the war news ya need. But he was one of the crazy ones who liked to point cameras at guys in tanks.
Achmed, let's have a double in memory of Jose. War is hell, I tell ya...
Posted by: Grizzled War Correspondent   2005-10-28 11:05  

#3  Good one M,
Hey spain,LUVYA(meanit)
Posted by: ARMYGUY   2005-10-28 11:01  

#2  Shit happens in war. I think that if ever anything happens our three soldiers, I wouldn't want to be this so-called "Judge", Santiago Pedraz.

The CIA has many a way of ensuring smart-ass Socialistic weenies end up "mysteriously dead" by "unfortunate accidents".
Posted by: BigEd   2005-10-28 10:59  

#1  Dear Spain,

Fuck you.

Sincerly,
USA

P.S. Don't ask for anything from us and go fuck yourself.

Hugs.
Posted by: mmurray821   2005-10-28 10:58  

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